I have mentioned on here a few times that I sold my roadster pickup, and was looking for a Touring. I have 2 sons, Cale just turned 5 today and A.J. is 2. The kids loved riding in the roadster, but it was getting pretty tough for all 4 of us to fit anymore, and the darn kids just keep getting bigger.
Last weekend, the new owners hauled it away, and my boys were pretty sad about it. Cale cried "Bye-bye Lizzie, I love you" as he watched it leave out the window. I get a tear in my eye when I think about it... I bought it when I was 17, and even took my wife on a few dates in it, but the best memories in that car are with the kids.
One last picture before it left...
I had an empty space in my garage for a whole week before I found the right deal on a great car. (pictures in following posts)
It's a '25 Touring with a nice body, great paint, good interior, and a decent top. There's a few issues to resolve, the engine doesn't run on magneto, the top bows are sagging, and the wheels will be painted black.
There was only one problem... to buy it, I had to take all of his Model T stuff.
It is equipped with a Warford and a TT Ruckstell.
Also an extra cab (with doors) and some frames, axles, fenders, wheels, 3 extra engines, and some other stuff I haven't even seen yet.
Things are tough all over....
Congratulations, Derek! Looks like you have a lifetime supply of parts and projects.
Dang! And here I was, getting all misty-eyed at the beginning of this thread.
We're going to haul it all home in 3 trailer-loads tomorrow... the Touring will be kept hidden until Christmas so we can surprise the kids with it. Both might be a surprise if I can keep the kids out of the shop, but I don't have a good hiding spot big enough for a TT.
Too bad you got stuck with all that extra stuff. If there are some hubs to go with all those steel felloes you can make up some nice new wheels.
NEXT you'll be wanting a 4 passenger closed car....... ;) (I did)
Great find Derek. Were you able to find it close to home? Have you made any solid plans for the truck yet. The touring looks really nice. So glad to hear you've got something for the family to ride in. Now you can take them all on tours with you. Good job!!
Score!! Bully fer you!!
Mike, they're about an hour from here, 10 minutes from my parents. I don't know what I'm going to do with the truck... probably haul stuff ;)
What's the number on the Pioneer plate?
It looks like 148 but it's hard to tell.
If it's less than approx. 2200, I can look it up and tell you who owned the car when the plate was issued.
That would be great Erik. The plate is 148.
Congrats on your big score and thanks for sharing your love for these T's with the next generation. When my daughter was born I sold a very rare original 1917 Buick roadster to buy a 1926 T touring so we could all tour as a family with our T club chapter. Best deal I ever made, my little girl wants to come on every tour. These kids will be future custodians of the model T's legacy. Never pass up a chance to show a young person your T and offer a ride into history.
Derek, now you've got to buy a little Fordson tractor to haul in the back of your truck. Or even a 9N Ford wouldn't be that far out of line.
Mike, I have a '47 Ford 2N tractor, but for a more era-correct load, I could borrow my grandpa's '27 Fordson Model F.
There's no shortage of Ford tractors in the family...
You have enough parts to build a car for everyone in your family and still have a spare engine.
So pull the sides of the grain box, put the '27 Fordson onto the flatbed and find a close by parade. Rochester, Austin, or Albert Lea should have a parade you could run it in.
It looks like that TT might be in running condition. If not, it will make a good piece of yard art, or something to sell. Maybe even get it running and take a load of beauty queens in a parade? Many potential uses. You might need to build a bigger barn though.
Concerning the touring you need to find out why it won't run on magneto before you continue to drive it. It could be no magneto, need of charge, cut magneto coils etc. If it were mine I would first check the voltage output from magneto to see if any voltage at all, clean out lint at magneto contact. If that doesn't work, try recharging in car. Check crankshaft endplay. If none of the above tell you what's wrong, remove the hogs head for a visual inspection. The reason I say all these things is because some loose part could have damaged the magneto coils and that part could still be loose inside the crankcase. After you are sure about why the magneto doesn't work, then you can make the decision whether to drive as is, or to fix the magneto.
Otherwise, that touring looks like a very nice car. Congratulations!
Norman, Yard art? I don't understand. Guess I'm dumb. KB
Norm - Yeah,....I have to agree with Keith! Looks to me like that TT is either in running condition or at least would be with very little work. Yard Art? To me, only old rust that's good for nothing else should be a candidate for "yard art"!
I guess we're not quite sure where you're coming from on this one Norm,.........???
I looked up the car and sent you some good info in a private message.
Can I ask what you paid for the whole lot? It looks like a great score!
I posted several options there. It looks like it would run from the pictures. If you have a place inside, for sure park it there. Most TT's are too tall to fit into a modern garage, but a specially built one, or one made for a camper, or a barn would fit it well. I'm sorry if my post offends you or anyone else, it was not intended to. I guess the way you originally posted made my think, you wanted the touring but had to also remove all his T "junk" to get it. Some of those rusty parts can also be made to work. Don't throw anything away, keep for spare parts or sell to someone who needs them.
Tell the kids the pile of parts are their car and they better get to work!
The TT is almost ready to run. The body is nice and paint is shiny and presentable. It has a fresh engine in it, and just needs some minor assembly to finish it. The tires are not very good though, and the wheels need some black and silver paint... not much of a seat in it either.
Merry Christmas! I think your boys will be very very happy! Oh and the TT can be an excellent learning vehicle. With the lower gearing the kids and practice driving without going really fast.
And as other have said -- great job on introducing the next generation to the hobby!
Hap l9l5 cut off
Norm, not offended in the least, just that around here I find it hard to throw out something even if it looks like swiss cheese! I think, well maybe it can be used for a pattern. Not that I am cheap(I am) but from my po boy country raisin' I guess. Have fun, KB
Very cool, hope the young ones fall in love with the new car too. Very nice.
As has been said before on the forum, they
multiply, and now you know. Great touring and hope that you and you'r boys have fun with its of spring.
We had a "convoy" to bring it all home... Jenna took the kids to her parents, and we snuck it all into the shop while they were gone. The enclosed trailer is still full of loose parts, some of which I haven't seen yet.
My Dad and 2 brothers all helped.
Congrats on finding the Touring and GOOD LUCK on trying to keep it hidden from the boys for over 3 weeks! Now who's Christmas present is it, yours or the boys??
After seeing the last picture you posted of your shop, I can see that you have plenty of room for the TT. Also with the hood on it, and a full picture of it, it looks very good.
It's a Christmas present for the whole family!
...or maybe I'm just being cheap (now I don't have to buy any presents)
Keeping them hidden shouldn't be too difficult. The T's are in the big shop, which I'm just using as storage. (rented out space for the 3 cars under covers in the 2nd to last picture). The small garage in front of the big one (in the 3rd to last picture) is where I work on projects. The boys can still come out and help me work on things, I just have to be sure I don't bring them into the other building to get something.
I hate to mention this, but that door behind the TT is too short for it!
Looks like a great deal, but I hope you don't regret selling that family heritage p/u someday down the line!
This is the best thread I've seen on this forum in a long, long time. Maybe in years.
Derek, Please consider taking a picture of the boys at the very moment they see the touring car for the first time and posting it here or on another thread. I and lots of others, I'm sure, would LOVE to see that!!!!
Derek, it sure is easy to envy someone young with young kids to work with. My kids are the best. They're in their 30's now and they're still wonderful adults. It's all due to their being able to help when they were young. I don't remember a time when they concerned me because of their lifestyle. When you involve your kids with those Model T's it's going to be a great time that will stick with them for the rest of their lives. I like your TT truck. I would have as much fun with that as I do my touring and sedan. Have a great time, take photos at the unveiling and Merry Christmas to you and your family.
Mike G. -- "My kids are the best. They're in their 30's now..."
Sounds as if you're about due to zero in on the grandkids.
You're right Mike. Actually I did a dis-service to my older son. When I was talking about my kids I'm talking about the two that grew up in my house. I also have an older son. But I wasn't able to be in his life for the first 18 years. His mother took him and went to all lengths to keep him away from me. But since he turned 18 we've been extremely close. He's nearly 40 now and has given me two of the most beautiful Granddaughters a Grandpa could ever want. One of them is 12 going on 25 and the other is 7 and wants to be like her big sister when she grows up. When they're able to be with me we have a lot of fun tooling around in my Model T's. The problem is they still live 150 miles away and their Dad is super busy making a living. His goal is to get them all into a new place to live. He's been working extra hard to get his life together. He's close to where he wants to be and promises me we'll get together more often. But I know better so I go to their house and do everything on their time. But when we get together we have a lot of fun. Their mother is in and out of their life once in a while when she not running away from the law or sitting in jail. The last I heard she went to Florida to be there while her husband was serving a 7 year sentence in prison. As it turned out they somehow went on the run and are fugitives now. At best the least she'll be charged with if they're caught is aiding and abetting a fugitive. As it's turned out the older daughter has become the mother. She takes care of his Dad and little sister. Though they love each other very much they're still sisters and that dynamic comes into play too. And there's a lot more to the story but of course it's complicated but all those who are constants in their lives are doing what we can to make sure they have security and family.
congratulations on a great find, and enjoy your new parts store!! IMHO, regarding the wood spokes on the Touring....it sure looks great with the spokes "au-natural"....I'd think hard about painting 'em black. Black spokes are nice, but to me anyway, I love the natural ones. Use a little steel or bronze wool on 'em, and a couple good coats of polyurethane and they'll make the car sharp as a tack. Kind of like whitewall tires on a car. I have the natural spokes on my '20 roadster and that's the first thing people mention, after the nice paint of course. Just my two cents. You do what makes you happy! Merry Christmas to you and your family. Enjoy your new toys.
I'm in agreement with Tim on this one because I've got the natural spokes on my touring and I can't imagine them as black. But then I've got black on my sedan and, well, I can't imagine them as natural. But I do need to clean up the wheels on both of them and get them looking a little better. When I look at the spokes on Derek's car they look totally natural. They almost look like they should have been stained and weren't. I guess maybe painting them black might be the thing to do.
I like them black, so black they will be.
In the extra parts, there were 4 21" wheels, but all of them have front hubs. Since 21" wheels were available in '25, I think I'm going to use them. The TT also has 21" in front, but the spokes look somewhat rotten. I will probably put the best 2 of the 6 on the TT and rebuild a full set for the Touring since I intend to drive that one more often, and at higher speeds.
I should mention that anyone I might see tomorrow at the T-Totalers' meeting please don't say anything about the T's. My wife is working this weekend, so I'll have the kids with me at the meeting.
Time for an update...
I finally got the Touring running and cleaned up last night. Fresh gas, oil, and a new battery is all it took to get it running. It started pretty easily once I messed with the fuel mixture a bit. It ran OK on battery, but sounded like it was running on 2 cylinders when switched to Magneto. I swapped in 4 rebuilt & HCCT tested coils, and then it ran great on both battery and Mag.
The car really looks great all washed up. There's a few flaws I didn't see with it covered in dust, but overall I'm very happy with the quality of the body.
I put the top down, and couldn't get it back up by myself... whoever decided to call it a "one man top" is full of it.
Derek, that's pretty funny. I haven't heard anyone yet that's impressed with the one man top. I looked for photos of your touring in your last photo but apparently they'll be coming after christmas. Merry Christmas to you, your wife and your kids.
I put a '27 Touring top up in a driving rain storm by my self. Met a semi and blowed my new hat off in the pouring rain.Another truck ran over it Had to stop to get my hat. By that time, I was soaked. then tried to put the top up. Hope I don't have to do that again. Real ugly.
Derek, as Hap pointed out in a posting above, the TT truck makes a great teacher car. It drives the same as a car and it is very slow, great speed to teach young drivers.
I have two sons and a TT truck that I started teaching lessons at about 7 years of age (boy sitting in my lap) and helping steer. Slowly letting them do more and more and by the time they were about 11 or 12 years old, they had the driving mastered.
The problem now is that they are in the early thirties and the T collection keeps growing and growing and growing.
Have fun at Christmas
It's called a one man top cus after you and the missus fight putting it up in the rain, she walks off and leaves you alone with the car and top. :-) Might as well trade for a speedster.