English nurse has committed suicide thanks to these muppets
So very sad. So much of this cheap humour nowadays on our radio and TV. Seems to appeal to the younger audience.
Makes me ashamed to be Australian
Now, I know the Brits take their Monarchs seriously but I think the actions of this gal were a little over the top. As for the Idiot 'shock jocks', IF they do go back on the air, I don't think they are going to be too well received. This baloney about not thinking they would get through and the bad accents was just that, baloney. As for the nurse, if you are a Brit and you thought there was even the most remote chance that you might be talking to the Queen, would you call it BS and hang up on her?
She was damned if she did and damned if she didn't but suicide?
Russell, for what it's worth, I still dig the people down under.
Idiots live everywhere. Hopefully, the radio personalities will be held libel.
I believe that they never intended to hurt anyone but neither does the drunk driver who's only defense is "I didn't mean to"(after) he/she kills someone.
Here in America, some nobody senator would try to pass a new law, and name it after the dead young lady (helps at election time). No new law is necessary. I believe in something far more radical... personal accountability!
Remember Dennis, there is more to it then the fact she let the two Djs through. She likely was facing a ruined career, as a breach of confidentiality is typically a dismissable offense, and breaching the confidentiality of the Royals, well, she not likely would have ever have been able to work as a nurse anywheres again, and the notariety would have plagued her for all time. Very sad indeed.
Russell, noone in their right mind would hold a nation accountable for the actions of two!!!!! Australia is one on the most beautiful places on the earth. Truly
You know, I think the radio DJ's did nothing to be ashamed of really. They were doing their job, which is to entertain and amuse us.
The nurse did nothing to be embarrassed about, certainly nothing that she could be expected to commit suicide over. It is sad that the lady killed herself, but to listen to what was said and done by the radio DJ's it all is very much in line with what I like to hear from a good hard working DJ who has some funny original ideas.
Bottom line I think the lady would have killed herself over some other trivial thing. People who commit suicide do it to hurt the people around them. They are sick mentally. Nothing good comes from a suicide like this. I feel most sorry for the relatives and friends of the lady who died.
Agree there's more to this than meets the eye. Was initially shocked then heard she had a husband and 2 children and I began to question her actions. I also think the DJ's will be looking for work and that they'll be picked up by another station.
Russel, Don't be. Being an Australian you have too much to be proud of to worry about a couple of numbskulls who didn't consider the possible consequences of their prank.
Idiots come from all corners of the world. A few minutes of watching the news could make all of us ashamed to be part of the human species.
You can't judge a nation by a couple of radio jocks!
Suicide was an extreme reaction to a mistake.
You hit the nail on the head. I watch the news every day and wonder just how stupid people can be. While serving in the navy and traveling the world I was ashamed time and time again by the behavior of a few of my American shipmates.
Thankfully people are the same everywhere and understood that those who behave badly are not indicative of the population they come from.
Don't be ashamed to be an Aussie. This could've happened from many developed western nations.
You just touched a nerve. I am a little horrified that some would take such a light-hearted view of such a tragedy.
Inane breakfast so-called disc jockies seem to all come out of the same mould, often orchestrating things at the expense of someone else. What they encourage is an audience that gets off on laughing at other peoples' misfortune or expense. That's not cool.
There is a very, very strong argument that the papparazzi (spelling?) killed Princess Diana. Frankly, this is no different.
Michelle and I had heard the tape of the phone call. It was NOT clever. Inventive, maybe - but very amateur. Michelle - herself a nurse - was horrified by the actions of both nurses and we could only imagine how incredibly embarrassed both would've been. We woke the next morning to learn one had killed herself. That, my friend, was not over some trivial matter. and if that's entertainment, count me out.
This will be life-changing for the DJs involved.
I agree with John Stokes, this is not an Australian shame, it is a media shame. The media takes great pleasure in the deaths of many to sell their programing to fools who find it entertaining. Just as the US media makes sure that every mass murderer gets the fame and publicity they want, to insure that then next mentally unstable kid will follow suit and make more money for the media blood suckers by killing a large number of bystanders, so they can sell their advertizing and sell their programing to the low life scum of the world who think it is entertainment.
All of the media need to be brought to task. From this tragic & awful episode right through to the hounding of people by the paparazzi.
Last week here in Adelaide a journalist broke the "rule" and went uninvited into a ministerial office at Parliament House & they wondered why he was banned for a week! Don't get me wrong, our journalists reporting stories and influencing public opinion is all that keeps these bastards honest (at least to some degree).
I don't know what the answer is though. The media circus to me seems to be like that proverbial multi-headed dragon; you cut one off and another 2 appear. The industry is worth so much money it boggles one mind.
Seriously, our condolences to the family of the nurse in Britain.
I do not have the years of life experence that some on this forum do but from where I sit it seems the poor unfortunate Nurse took this far to seriously. Peorple in generally are losing the ability to laugh at themselves. Someone is not giving us the whole picture either on her ongoing mental health/instability/some cultural shame or some serious personal attack/threat. I personally have no angst or concern over what the DJ's did and certianly it is not a bad reflection on the mainland-I am sure in 1000 years they did not dream of this outcome and no sane person would expect this outcome. The DJ's involved will also pay a very serious price so do not forget their plight in all of this.
Media pranks have caused a stir for a very long time. EG HG Wells 'War of the Worlds' in 1938.
You Aussies should not be near as ashamed of those punkers as of your newsman Rupert Murdoch. Revelations of his criminal activities in England keep coming, as you must well know. The scandals probably haven't had near as much play here, but they will. I think the US Justice Dept was holding off until well after the recent election, to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest.
Yeah, guys, I'm referring to Faux News, the NY Post, and the WSJ.
Agree that there are idiots everywhere and the nurse's reaction was way more than anyone would expect.
What I find strange is how can a major hospital with a Royal family member in attendance not have in place s system where it is not possible for any person to get pass the switchboard
The Royal family would/should have a private line or cell phone direct to Kate and the hospital switchboard should have seen phone calls got no further or were put through to security.
Ralph, might I remind you Rupert Murdoch is a US citizen!
Allan from down under.
Orsen Wells and the Mercury Theater was not trying to play a media "prank" it was a very well done adaptation of War of the Worlds which when some folks tuned in during the broadcast mistook the action for the real thing. It is also an important thing to remember when this was with Hitler and other agessive powers playing for world domination. The nation was very jittery and the new medium of radio was quite spellbinding.
Sorry yes Larry prankw as not the best word for me to use. Prank or not it had an effect on some. Just as with the Aussie DJ's perhaps it had a much greater ripple than ever expected. Given the time (1938) it was ill thought through. But does it mean society must always take account of the lowest common denominator?
Comments I have seen on this forum made about other folks could lead an unstable mind to the same end as this nurse. How many posters take stock of their jibes about other newbies and members before posting?
This pm causes more embarrassment than the dj's - I wonder where she is from ;)
I have learned nothing in the last two days that has caused me to think any the less of Australians.
We have had a bunch of serial killers here that were Americans but that does not make me ashamed to be an American.
Once I was on the switchboard for the company I work for, and radio DJs rang up and took the Mickey out of me. I was just trying to do my job well and earn a wage for my family...and these clowns were trying to make fun out of me for the entertainment of the listeners.
They weren't funny or clever, and it was just stupid and embarrasing all round. I can't stand hearing anything like that on the radio...I'll turn it off if I hear it.
I wonder if the Australian DJ's now think they did job? It's just crap radio that's cost a life. Shameful.
DJ's are DJ's around the world ... and it no longer stands for disc jockey - more like dumb jerk. Remember the boneheads who had the "how much water can you drink" contest ... and the end result?
Laying blame on the deceased woman without knowing her personal history, her beliefs and her upbringing is quite a cheap shot methinks. Compassion, Consideration and Contemplation should come before Crucifying. There are societies where one's personal honor and dignity is held to a very high standard ... so how are we to know the sense of shame that might have come from this incident? Surely forwarding the call was a lapse of judgment but we'll never know the entire story.
Not Australian shame, but the shame of our species (per Chuck Hoffman)
It is a sign of our times where personal responsibility (per Mike Mullis) has been destroyed by the biased reporting and sensationalism of the shameless media (per John Stokes) that our species encourages. But the reporting is only a symptom of a bigger morality issue.
It is comforting to know that some of you understand this but disheartening to see that others miss the big picture.
I'm afraid that the critical balance between the sane people that believe in personal accountability, honesty, morality, and doing things correctly vs the self centered idiots has tipped to the bad side and recovery is far from possible.
PS - This could be construed to be a political statement but it is a statement about the state of our humanity - which is in trouble.
I cant get you tube on this computer.
But there is so much crap stirred up by radio dj's it is pitiful.
But who am I to say something.
I still aint fiqured out why England spends millions on royalty that has no real purpose in goverment of the country anymore.
There is no reason for anyone to be ashamed down under because of what only 2 people did from there.
Ruined name,job,whatever,aint no reason to snuff yourself out.I must say there is probably more to that portion of the story than is being let out in public.You have to remember,the media makes more money off sad stuff.So they aint gona tell the whole story.
It's called "If it bleeds, it leads" Mack.
"Comments I have seen on this forum made about other folks could lead an unstable mind to the same end as this nurse. How many posters take stock of their jibes about other newbies and members before posting?"
Why turn it against the posters on this forum. Have you got a personal axe to grind. If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen.
And for anyone that thinks we've lost our personal accountability, honesty, morality and doing things correctly and it's tipped to the bad side should spend some time in different churches here in the middle of this country. They're full on Sunday mornings with people who mean what they pray. And they practice what they learn. If our morality is gone I think you've got someone else to blame than the greater part of the population of our country. I agree Shock Jocks like many who do morning radio don't come across meeting our moral parameters but they're doing nothing more than what we allow them too. As I'm typing this there's a commercial on tv for Trojan Vibrations Twister. Huh. Want a real kick? Watch the Comedy Channel after midnight on Friday or Saturday night. Lots of filth. But I choose what I listen to and what I watch. And if I become offended I switch it off. So there's something to say for censorship but don't take it so far as to endanger freedom of speech. And I know what the next issue is going to be. The question is: what about our children. What about them. If you're a parent, pay attention. And you can't be there to protect them. Then teach them moral responsibility. Playboy magazine came out in 1955 or around there. I saw my first Playboy when I was 19 in the military in 1970 just about the first time I was propositioned by a prostitute. I was so naive I looked at her and said huh. And the guy beside me jumped in the car and they were gone. And had I known what was happening I wouldn't have gotten in that car. Because my parents taught moral responsibility. Damn I get tired of people preaching to me and attempting to censor my thoughts and what I say and what I write. Morality is alive and living throughout our youth and throughout our country.
Now if I could teach my kid to get off the drugs and stay out of jail I'd be happy as hell.
I have no personal axe to grind whatsoever sorry Mr Garrison - no story in this one... but as they say... "If the cap fits...."
Sorry Alex. I came off a little strong. Everyones trying to jump in and add something and you didn't deserve such a crappy critique. I just spoke too fast without thinking of the consequences. Guess I'd make a pretty good shock jock. :-)
It seems odd now that I look back and complain about being censored and then turn around and do it to you. And You're probably right the cap might be a little loose but I can get it on.
Hey Mike its all good-we can all (I can) be guilty of the same thing.
Thanks Alex. The post I wrote is the kind of thing I've be trying to avoid putting on this forum. I don't know if it's my shaky mental health as caused by the PTSD that sets me off or if I really am a little deranged at any rate I know i get carried away. And I apologize.
Mike - The middle of our country is not where the problem exists.
Having lived in KY and Ohio and done business in most of the states I can easily say that for the most part morality and personal responsibility exist in the central states.
There are pockets of good in other parts of the world but the critical balance between the expectation of good and evil has shifted toward bad in the world.
I guess I was just lamenting the change in our society.
I am old enough to remember an easy going, she'll be right, look after your fellow man type. The type that could not drive past a broken down car without stopping to offer assistance.
This has now been replaced by the "me first" type who lacks self discipline, courtesy, common sense and respect.
This type seems to enjoy humour at the expense of others.
Probably a world wide phenomenon. Still does not make it right.
The pressure this nurse was put under would have been enormous. Probably just a gentle, fragile, naive trusting type who's world was totally shattered by these dipsticks.
Hi Russell, dont ever be ashamed to be Australian, just because two educated morons now have blood on their hands is no reason, just remember their is 32000 boat people ready to take your place thanks to the government so you are needed. Ray
Whilst I agree with your lament, I am quite sure I am beginning to see a ray of hope in the younger generation. I am sure I can see a swing from the "Me Me Me' mentality and the demanding immediacy, such as wanting everything now, on credit, etc etc) and including the mindless entertainment without a toss to the future or the effects.
I am quite sure I see a more caring and concerned younger generation beginning to pop up. They appear to care more for their fellow human being and their environment/planet than some earlier, more recent generations.
What I am saying is, don't lose those values you describe, as they WILL prevail.
My uncle Joe was working in a service station on Coney Island Ave. in Brooklyn when Wells broadcast came on. The manager ran out screaming, went home got his wife and headed Lord knows where. Ended up in a ditch with a broken king pin and a broken arm. No body thought about a law suit.
"The type that could not drive past a broken down car without stopping to offer assistance."
i stopped stopping for people in broken down cars when they started ignoring me or telling me to go away.
But they don't always tell you to go away. Today we are having a blizzard here in central Minnesota. At noon today I went out and cleared about 9" of partly cloudy off my driveway. Now the temp has dropped to about 16 degrees and the wind is gusting out of the North. I went over to my Ex-wifes house to get my dog and bring her a few groceries after clearing the driveway. A drive of about 20 miles one way. On the way back I spotted a car that had gone off the side of a driveway about halfway between the road and the house. I put my truck into 4 wheel drive and drove up to the house and asked if they would like me to help them get the car back on the road. The guy was more than happy to have me help him. I do this stuff all the time. Most people I know around here would. And the people getting the help invariably offer money and my answer is always "when you see me having a problem please stop and help me" and that's a sort of constant among people in the rural areas of Central Minnesota. I'll never stop helping people obviously in trouble and need my help. On the other side of the coin. A couple years ago a couple Somalian men were on the side of the road and had a flat tire. One of the local citizens stopped to help them. He showed them how to use their jack and actually changed the flat for the spare. As he was tightening the last of the lug nuts down they beat him nearly to death with a hammer or jack handle or some kind of a club, took his wallet and drove away. In a case like that the fellow that got beat with the hammer should have wondered a little why two healthy men couldn't change their own tire. So around here we help our neighbors but we're still learning to be damned careful when we pick who we're going to help. But from I've heard even the city of brotherly love and the city with big shoulders won't get you that sort of kindness. So maybe y'all are right, maybe the world has gone to hell in a handbasket.
Ray, I would love to have my say on the policies of "the Ranga, the Goose and their band of muppets" but I don't think this is the right forum
I quit picking up hitch hikers 50 years ago. Too many dirtbags out there, just waiting to take advantage of your good nature.
Oh, by the way, it is suppose to get up to 80 degrees here today. Sorry. LOL
Russell you may be right but it was not the right forum to start this thread on in the first place as this is for model T fords let alone to say you are ashamed to be Australian. To be honest with you make me feel ashamed that you have to fly the dirty washing of this country on here, If you have a grip to say then why not ring the station with out involving half the world that it has no reference to... Ray
I think Russell was quite rightly airing his views on a global (yes, global) issue that he is ashamed came from Australia. Clearly he is a proud Aussie. Clearly - judging by the reactions here - this is a global issue.
Relationships on this global forum often extend beyond the Model T (hey, Ralph's parrot has just eaten his keyboard!) and I'm probably like so many others who enjoy that personal banter.
Further, the subject line does have the Off Topic prefix. If you simply wish to remain with Model T subjects, please don't open the OT ones.
Just get over it.
Richard, I guess I'm with you on the whole hitch hiker thing. But please recognize I said I help people who are obviously in trouble. And I thought you were a pretty good guy until you drug that 80 degree garbage into the conversation. Unless you're talking centigrade. Then I can understand your plight. LOL
And when I got up this morning it was -1 Fahrenheit. By noon though it had warmed up to 5 Fahrenheit. It's a freaking heat wave here.
John, it just pisses me off that some one can say they are ashamed to Australian, if you are that ashamed then leave as we want proud people and thats my views, my family have been putting their lives on the line for two hundred years for Australia so I will never be ashamed. There is a place and time for every thing and I believe that its not here on this one. As I see it what goes around comes around.
Richard... there is nothing to get over except as I said above about Australia and be truthful now, how many people have you heard say I am ashamed to be American and if some one put that on here would you still say it OK to say it here and thats before Homeland Security is knocking on their door.
Here is a question for you..how many American flags do you have flying at your house to show how proud you are. I have two Australian flags and they are never taken down.
As my grandmother's family rule was never discuss religion or politics if you want to keep friends and thats my two dollars worth on the soap box. Ray
Sorry if I got your nose out of joint Ray.
Maybe should have said "ashamed of the behaviour of these two Australians?"
Either way, you have had your say and I have had mine so I will say no more on the subject
A better choice of topic.
Peter. A proud Aussie!!
Bugger, I went out and checked the flag in the side yard and it looked a bit worse for wear so I took it down to replace it and the wind blew the rope and now one end is at the top of the pole and its a long way up and I am not going up there, wanted pole climber to fetch it back. 30feet up.. Ray
Papparazi did not kill Princess Diana. Her chauffer was dead drunk and crashed the car into a wall.
These DJ's were doing a great job at what they were being paid to do. The royals expect it. They did not complain about the fun at their expense.
The nurse was going to commit suicide, she just took this opportunity because she had the biggest audience. The nurse took her own life. No one else took it.
Wow, a clairvoyant psychiatrist in our midst and we never suspected....
From her name and photo, it is apparent that Jacintha Saldanha is ethnically not English. She may be an immigrant or the daughter of immigrants, but we have no idea whatever what culture she grew up in. What we do know is that there are cultures in the world where shame and dishonor play a much larger role in people's thoughts and actions than they do in European cultures. In some of them, bringing dishonor to yourself or family might indeed lead to suicide. It seems premature to decide exactly what happened based on the extremely sketchy information available.
I once heard it said that "the only exercise some people get is jumping to conclusions."
Thanks for clearing that up Royce. It is amazing how simple life can be.
According to a report in an online Indian newspaper, the dead nurse had emigrated to Britain from India several years ago and felt great shame and dishonour regarding her unwitting role in the hoax.
Nonetheless, suicide seems a mighty drastic response to a situation in which no one (else) got hurt and a great many people got a good laugh.
Those suggesting the world put a halt to prank calls in case someone else is sufficiently unbalanced to take his or her life for being duped might want to consider the following...
Given that some radical Islamists are unbalanced enough to throw acid in schoolgirls faces just for attending school in Afganistan should we advocate closing all Afgan schools to female students?
Given that Model T Fords are inherently less-safe than modern vehicles, should we not, in the wake of the Ken Meeks fatality, advocate only static display of all Model Ts to ensure that tragedy will never repeat?