OT-U.S. auto production numbers, 1901 - 1929

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Sunday, December 09, 2012 - 06:10 pm:

Some interesting numbers from Wikepedia. Cadillac was really outproducing Ford the first few years. 1906 (Model N) Ford really makes a big move. Buick is surprisingly strong through 1910.

We know how Ford does through the "black Ford" T years. Then, in 1927, Chevrolet is tops for two years.

I think discrepancies with the MTFCA numbers may be cars only (not trucks?) and maybe foreign production/sales are not included. If you check the link, production numbers are shown through 2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Automobile_Production_Figures




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDaniel(Indiana Trucks)Star City In on Sunday, December 09, 2012 - 11:44 pm:

I don't see Indiana on the list


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 09:58 am:

Wikipedia is often not fact based. It can be correct, but usually isn't.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 10:41 am:

Royce,

I'd welcome better numbers if you find and post them. Quite easy to say information is incorrect if you don't bother to back up the claim (this is in reference to your unsolicited remark that global warming isn't occurring on another post about the nice weather we were experiencing). These were the only comprehensive numbers I was able to find.

I appreciate the good information you bring to the forum. However, a bit more tact would go along way for you, in my "unsolicited" opinion.

Rob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDaniel(Indiana Trucks)Star City In on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 01:18 am:

Rob,

I feel Royce is right about Wikipedia because anyone can edit the "facts" on that web site. I don't trust anything from there but it can help point you in the direction you want to go sometimes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kerry van Ekeren (Australia) on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 06:45 am:

I found it interesting, a very basic account of auto builders to compile the numbers, still over 400 in 1915, what I find interesting that Dodge for it's first full year of production, built 45000 (1915) but only sold 1174 in Michigan, coming in well below Ford, Buick, Overland, Studebaker, Reo, Maxwell and then Cadillac + several other car builders for that state.
(The Automobile, Michigan's 1915 Registration Analyzed) March 1916.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 06:54 am:

Rob,

I did not say that the numbers are wrong. They are from Wikipedia, so it is about as reliable as reading something on the wall in a Tecaco station rest room. Might be pefectly true. Might not.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 09:31 am:

Royce,
I was "bristling" from other threads. Once I hit the post button I wished I had not. I apologize for jumping on you.

Bob,
your right, again, sorry.

Kerry,
Yes, the numbers are questionable. Things I don't know about these numbers (and might explain some of the numbers) include:

Are they calendar year to year, or model to model year numbers?
Do they include autos sent or produced outside the US (not significant for most makers, except Ford in the early years).

Anyway, still interesting trends.

Rob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 10:54 am:

Wikipedia is edited by everyday Joe's like us. However, original research from primary sources done by individuals is not permitted per their posting rules. From the posting guidelines:

For an item to be in Wikipedia, the subject should meet notability standards "which usually means that it must have received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources such as mainstream media or major academic journals that are independent of the subject of the topic. Further, Wikipedia intends only to convey knowledge that is already established and recognized. It must not present new information or original research. A claim that is likely to be challenged requires a reference to a reliable source. Among Wikipedia editors, this is often phrased as "verifiability, not truth" to express the idea that the readers, not the encyclopedia, are ultimately responsible for checking the truthfulness of the articles and making their own interpretations. This can lead to the removal of information that is valid, thus hindering inclusion of knowledge and growth of the encyclopedia. Finally, Wikipedia must not take sides. All opinions and viewpoints, if attributable to external sources, must enjoy an appropriate share of coverage within an article.This is known as neutral point of view."

So there you have it: Wikipedia, while good on a lot of points must be taken with a grain of salt in others....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 11:16 am:

If you think Wikipedia is full of crap from anybody, just try edit something false into an often read article - if it isdn't late night in England and USA it'll be corrected in seconds.

There are also automatic bots that recognises typical vandalism around the clock and reverts suspicious edits to the previous version.

Now the production figures article above may not have as many would be protectors with this particular article in their watchlist, but it's still a possibly good article that follows the rule of verifiability - it has a list of references below from where the figures is supposed to come from. To be really sure, you can check the sources, so Wikipedia is a really good source for more reading on almost any subject.

For controversial subjects it's always advisable to check the talk page for an article - minority/opposing views that may expand the understanding about the subject can often be found there.

So thanks to Rob for giving a link to this interesting article I haven't seen before :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 11:17 am:

Tidbit of info on the number of auto mfg in the USA as of 1908, and the states where the action was :-)



The Horseless Age, Jan. 6, 1909, p.35.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 10:31 pm:

Dan,
Notice Nebraska has "2" producers. Had things gone differently, I could see Omaha being the "Detroit" of the west.

Thanks guys, good info,

Rob


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