My engine is back from being redone and it looks great. .060 over with high compression pistons, reground cam, .010/.010 on the crank, balanced, decked, rebabbitted/line bored, decked, 4th main, cam bearing and rods. Darn thing cost more then than I paid for the car. The nice thing is the serial number matches the frame and title.
I just can't get the manifold on the rings. 86 yr. old intake slides right on, the new exhaust manifold I can't seem to get. Is there a trick to these things other than a 3lb. hammer?
Buy a new exhaust manifold for $89 and don't use those paper-like gaskets, use the copper type.
The exhaust is probably warped. Buy a new one and be happy. I can install both intake and exhaust with out a another person.
The exhaust is brand new and that is the one that does not fit. The gaskets are copper, just hard to tell in the photo.
Jim says he can't get the new manifold to work.
Jim, have you put a straight edge on the holes of the new manifold?
Use a straight edge to check your manifold. If it is warped, buy a new one or there are ways to straighten it.
Jim said it is a new manifold.
I grind a small bevel on the outside edges of the gland rings to help "guide" them into the ports in the block.
I've bought 2 new manifolds, did the same with both and that solved everything.....
I have had some new ones that I had to take a dremel to, open the holes a little and it will work.
Sorry Craig, your a little faster at Typing!
Good ideas bear repeating Joe.......
When I installed my new manifold, I found it easier to install rings in manifold and then install on block. When I tried with the rings on the block, I couldn't get it.
If the manifold needs straightening, here's how: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/257047/312701.html?1348150760.
Craig/Joe, I took your advice and put a slight radius on the edge of the exhaust manifold ports. The thing slid right on. The tricky part was holding the intake and exhaust while trying to put the clamps on without everything falling off.
Jim, all you have to do is hold the exhaust manifold with your one hand, the intake manifold with your other hand, the clamp and nut and wrench with your extra hand.
Glad you got it together. Sounds like a fantastic engine that should perform well for you for a very long time. Set us know how it fires up and runs.
Just turn two of the clamps vertical and it will hold the manifold for you while you attach the other. Simple if you try it.
Exactly: Take two of the clamps and turn them vertical (parallel to the spark plugs), and use them to hold the exhaust in place. Then, temporarily attach the intake with the other two. You can then move the previous two in-line with the manifolds and VOILA! Done!
Great news Jim.......
I slip the box end of a 7/16" wrench over a stud and nut it to hold the exhaust manifold in position while installing the intake manifold.
Works like a champ and you don't have to play octopus.
Sounds like you gave that engine the whole nine yards. I'll be interested to hear about how it runs.
Like Doug and William said:
Clamps 1 & 4 are just snug, 2 & 4 loose. Once the intake is in place all, position everything and tighten up.
(No, that is not rust or leaks in the ports or at the freeze plugs... ;-)
I took two Manifold Clamps, and cut one side off, and put them on the front, and rear pointing. to front, and rear, and snug them, then take the intake and put it in place, and snug the middle clamps.
Then remove the half clamps, and snug the front and rear clamps.
the half clamps are fast, and hold the manifold true.
Anybody have an idea what to do with a warped manifold for a 27 vaporizer? Bought one from Russ Potter who rebuilt the carb great, however the manifold is warped and the glands don't go in. I cheated and left two out using a copper gasket.
Wasn't that unnecessary extra work to cut off the clamps, install them, then install the others, and then uninstall and replace the two cut ones with regular ones? I don't see the advantage...sorry.
Well, First of all, I don't care how you install your Manifolds Joseph.
But being you asked a Question, I will try to defend our process!
I have put on over 500, plus, I know, Exhaust, and Intake Manifolds, in the last 45 years, using these two cut off clamps.
Takes about 30 seconds to put the two half clamps on, and the same to take them off.
If a man was running for his life, I doubt if he would notice! He would be saving more in aggravation, then one minute out of his life!
When you set the clamps up like you did, they are only letting the Manifold lay against the clamps, and hanging on the ring glands in the block! If you would put any pressure on your clamp, the manifold top would tip inward because the clamping pressure points, are down and right, and left about an inch, or so, where they belong.
When you use half clamps, you put pressure on the ring glands, dead center by pushing the Manifold in to the ring glands, like it will be when installed.
Now Joseph, I can also tell you your method will not work, when a manifold has to be installed when the ring glands will not line up being warped.
As Royce can tell you, there are more warped Manifold, then not, and they can look like N.O.S.
New Manifolds haven't been on the market all that long, and some don't want to spend the money for them.
So the warped Manifolds that didn't line up, gaskets were furnished with out glands, and you set them, and they worked fine, and your set up wouldn't work on that either, as there is no ring gland toe hold the manifold up.
Ah, warped manifolds...well, yes, that does make things difficult.
I was lucky enough to have a straight one to use which made things a whole lot easier.
It works on straight ones, the same way, no difference.
Wouldn't a better answer have been: "Here's how we install manifolds" and then give the answer you gave without telling him how his way doesn't work? Why beat somebody back, when there is a 1000 ways to skin a cat?
Wouldn't a better answer have been: "Here's how we install manifolds" and then give the answer you gave without telling him how his way doesn't work? Why beat somebody back, when there is a 1000 ways to skin a cat? "END QUOTE"
William, if you would learn to read, that is what I done in my first post, in which you conveniently missed.
Wasn't that unnecessary extra work to cut off the clamps, install them, then install the others, and then uninstall and replace the two cut ones with regular ones? I don't see the advantage...sorry. "END QUOTE"
Then I answered this post!
And yes, there are more ways to skin a cat, but being that skinnned pussy doesn't appeal to me for any reason, I will stick the Manifolds for now. Just like there is a best way to read a forum, that you need to work on, there are better ways, and more fool proof, then others.
I have tried the way Joseph said, when I was in my teens, and I didn't always have another set of hands around when using nothing. But, clearly Joseph has never tried my way, but can form an opinion that it doesn't work, not necessary, and hard to use, when he has no facts.
Like I said, I could care less what any body does, but don't tell me something doesn't work, when I know the contrary. When I put something together, I don't have time to fiddle F around.
And if those who try it, and do it right, it wouldn't take long to prove it, one way, or the other!
Herm, you're still my hero. I don't think a few of these guys would accept your advise if it was gold plated. It seems like they have to accept only what certain people have to say and that they've turned into their experts. If the book or some self proclaimed master model t mechanic doesn't do it that way it must be wrong. They constantly critique your advise and I have yet to see you tell someone it's the only way to do something. You always seem to give advice but then turn and tell these people you could care less how they do something. In other words it's up to them how they want to do something. I wish you would come on here more often and teach some of us more of the shortcuts and little tricks you use.
I didn't say yours didn't work, but you did say his didn't .. DONE And I can read.
If your manifold is straight and you have a helper, you can install the exhaust manifold with the rings and glands and have the helper hold it in place while you install the intake holding with one hand and turn the clamps with the other. If the helper stands on the opposite side of the engine they will not get in the way. However, I have installed them by myself with the standard clamps. It's not a big problem. Much easier than fitting a rear main cap through the inspection hole.
Evidently some on this forum missed out on the Carnegie Course. If not, there should be some tuition refunded.
And this isn't meant to be funny.
I wish you people would listen to Herb Kohnke advice, is correct, as is so much of his other advice. I have used the half manifold clamp for many years on many motors and its the best way to go. Yes there are other ways to install manifolds, but this way you won't get the manifold cocked up on the ring. I thought that by now every one was using the half manifold clamps. Its your car, if you don't want to take good advice do it your way. I have a manifold clamp that holds the exhaust manifold in place and I still use the half clamps.
Oh oh. Now what? Did somebody get their toes stepped on?
Today was actually the first time I've ever heard half manifold clamps mentioned. I appreciate advice all the time. I don't, and am sure others don't as well, appreciate condescending advice. Nor am I a six year old...
But, my toes aren't stepped on. However, I wouldn't know anyway, since my feet are nerve dead and have been all my life.
What condescending advice. What Herm talked about was a valid idea. And may be better than the advice some others give on this forum. I like Herm. I think he's a good guy. He's openminded and has some really good ideas. He works hard to keep our hobby alive and never puts his nose in the air if you don't agree with him. Oh he's kind of a crusty old fart and isn't afraid to tell ya what he thinks but that's what gives him credibility.
William, I've got a certain amount of Neuropathy and can't always tell where my big old feet are stepping. And besides I spend a lot of time with one stuck in my mouth anyway.:-)
I think he's ok,too. Maybe I was just having a bad day......
Ok, this hero worship thing has got to come to an end. I mean we got to be able to put up with him after all of this.
While Mr. Kohnke usually has some very good and experienced advice, his way of presenting it makes others with different opinions or ideas look stupid. Most of the time other ways work very well too. In the case of the manifold, many of us only have one or two Model T's. We don't have extra clamps to cut off. We only want to install our own manifolds and then probably won't be installing one again for a long time. So if we can find a way to do it without buying and destroying another two clamps fine. If we are in the business of rebuilding engines and use them almost every day, the investment would be a good one. Listen to what he says, but not the way he says it.
I use this one's and am happy with them
I use this one's and am happy with them "END QUOTE"
Those look real good Anthonie, I can see how they would work real well, as all the pressure would be on the pipe, and not let them bind.