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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Daniel M. Chapasko on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 10:33 am:

While I was at Key West Naval Air Station for six months. I put Robert W. Johnson from Loveland, Colorado in charge of my home as caretaker. He stole everything I own of value while I was away. He got four years probation and has to pay back the $29,000. So far he has not paid anything and has violated probation four times and was revolked. I have not seen any money and he still walks around....out there. What does revolk mean? Larimer County Colorado


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill dugger on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 10:51 am:

OUR lAWS is such that is a slap on the wrist and "saying" don't do that again and you the criminal are a bad boy now don't do that again.
Doe anyone agree with what I just said.?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White - Sheridan, MI on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 11:02 am:

Rob a bank of $5 and you go to prison for many years. Steal a person's life savings and get probation. Who is hurt the most by the theft?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 11:10 am:

And who has the most influence with legislators?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Poane on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 11:55 am:

Did you know that killing a cancer cell is illegal, but killing a cancer patient is legal. Same nonsense tho different. The legal system has nothing to do with what is right or wrong.

Bill, you are right.

Dan, I would ask help from your local congressman etc..... I do not see why we should pay money to an attorney to tell the judge he needs to put a criminal away. Or take him to court pro se'.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Aldrich Orting Wa on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 12:11 pm:

I agree Robert. When Congressman decide to take up a cause they are almighty annoying to any agency they are trying to hold accountable.

They used to visit us (Fed agency) and the management staff jumped through hoops I did not know existed!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald-Federal Way, Wa. on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 01:24 pm:

I worked for the Gov. in Mapping. I always told my bosses "I'd rather KICK your A--- than kiss it" I never had any trouble with any of them in over 30 years. I tell the same to some people I run into even today.

Courts are only a type of job security for you know who and what. Watch your P&Q.

Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill dugger on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 02:30 pm:

Well I started a reply and deleted it,accidently. Here in Califunny we have a "NO OPEN CARRY PISTOLS", now we have a no open carry rifles, next will be pocket knives and screw drivers and wrenches!
In my humble opinion if I saw a guy with a pistol on his hip I would know not to f*** with him. It would be up to the Law to check him out. Now where does ERIC HOLDER have the balls to say "We do not have the right to have arms", and next where is he from? Lets send him on his way to some foreign country, where seconds count are never there! He like "others" in our corrupt government should all be deported, note the word corrupt, as there may be some good one in there, but how many are "NOT WORTH THEIR SALT". I think we have a lot of career criminals in the GOVERNMENT, BOTH STATE AND FEDERAL", oh and if you are not a multi-millionaire going in you certainly will be when you come out for retirement. You may have heard the saying" How can they send ten men and women in a room all night and come out and say not guilty"
Someone with a concealed weapon could sneak up on you before you knew it. Those states that have used the "Death penalty and done in the bad people I commend then, an eye for and eye and tooth for tooth.
ENFORCE THE GUN LAWS AS THEY STAND ON THE BOOKS, nothing new is going to help as if someone wants to kill you he can run over you cut you up with a knife, chainsaw, or stab you with a screwdriver
Well I guess i have blew enough steam.
Than you, and a very MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR

Bill d


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 02:50 pm:

I'm glad Minnesota is sensible enough to have carry laws. On occasion I carry. But I do it only when I think there could be a risk that I might end up in a less than friendly location. And when I'm at home it's always less than an arms length away.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 04:43 pm:

Bill D, Take a chill pill, I worry about you! Your typing and spelling are not up to your usual quality. I do agree with you.
Due to the events back East, I got goaded a bit into an email to family last night, then did not send it because it turned into too much of a rant against the current state of society. I did save it, after spending an hour writing it (I type slow). Much more on this thread and I may post it here.
Funny thing though. Most of the people that seem to really understand, own model Ts.
drive carefully, and enjoy the holidays! W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Clipner-Los Angeles on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 05:05 pm:

I just love "Feel good" laws. They don't do anything, but I feel great. I just have to by more low cap.mags.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By joe bell on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 05:45 pm:

At my house you have to get pass the German Shepard and if she does not get you the Ruger will. I had some Senator email about gun control, I usually never comment but this one he got an ear full! They want to ban something start with some of the kids video games that makes them think it is ok to kill!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 06:27 pm:

I'm just adding to this "thread drift" for sure, but I just have to add to this:

Why is it that all the "do-gooders" just can't get through their heads that the nut cases, dirt bags, druggies and pot-heads DON'T GIVE A DAMN" about any type of gun laws, concealed weapons permits, and that the only people to comply are the people that we don't have to worry about, and that just might make a difference in a life or death situation!

Apparently, it takes a person with a lot more intelligence and common sense than some of our stupid, greedy and self-serving worthless politicians (and others) to realize that gun control will have no more success than prohibition did or be any more successful than the so-called "war against drugs" that we all know has been a total failure for many years!

There will ALWAYS be guns folks, whether we like it or not, because they are manufactured all over the world! And even if American gun laws would do any good, will they apply to the whole world? Sheeeesh,....some people just need to face reality. It's PEOPLE that are the problem, and the guns that will always be here are only a problem BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE that will get their hands on guns one way or another. And the one thing that will become an additional huge problem is that gun laws will create a black market gun business and more related crime and violance, just like prohibition created "speak-easys", moonshine and moonshiners!

Sorry Danial, but I just couldn't bite my tongue any longer!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 06:38 pm:

Since this as got into the G/C subject here's a couple of my thoughts.

I grew up with guns and raised my family with the protection of a few guns. I am thankful I never had to use one for that.

You have to wonder if the gun free zones don't make the troubled nutcake shooters think that these places provide better opportunity for them to do whatever they set out to do with their guns?

What would you feel like if you were in that situation with a shooter in your midst and waiting helplessly until some police arrived. That's a scary event in the best if cases.

I've wondered if providing some armed protection in those places may deter a future incedent. Allowing or requiring someone in the front office to be trained and armed and able to stop or deter a would be killer from having free range on the victims inside. It just may be enough to send the wacko to another location.

Come to think of it, you see this same thing at the entrance to the courthouse.

Sorry to be of topic of Model T's
Enough Said for me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 07:03 pm:

Gene - You've come very close to something I've had on my feeble mind lately:

Many schools now have one or two police officers as part of their staff.

Many law enforcement agencies have outlying sub-stations or precincts away from the main police station.

Large cities/communities/counties have law enforcement facilities scattered over a large area. Schools are scattered over a large area,....why not combine them???


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 07:30 pm:

Kehnesaw ,Ga. passed a law requiring all home owners to have a fire arm. Guess what happened to the crime rate?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By joe bell on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 07:31 pm:

When I was in school, first day of hunting season you could bring your gun to school and ride the bus home to who's house you where hunting at! Boy how things have changed!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald-Federal Way, Wa. on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 07:49 pm:

Don't know if this would help,I'd he happy to pay for one for all elected officials and there staff. Any help.

Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 08:42 pm:

Can't have one. If I did I'd have been rotting in jail for years. You figure it out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 08:47 pm:

'sall right Charlie. I have a couple friends who can't either.

Love the gun, Bob! hahaha!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 01:08 am:

I know. I haven't helped any. But one thing that struck me and I should have mentioned myself. Nobody else seems to have mentioned it either.
What kind of a #%#%#%#%#%#% steals from military personnel away on any sort of duty, major or minor. And what kind of @#$%&@#$%&@#$%& legal system would give such a lame tap on the wrist to them. They should work fourteen hours a day at hard labor for a dollar an hour till that 29K is paid back. The victim should be compensated immediately.
Daniel, I thank you.
I shut up again. For now.
Drive carefully, and enjoy the holidays! W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 01:19 am:

Wayne, I have always respected your restraint in these controversial discussions. And I continue to do so.

Thumbs-up, sir.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Horlick in Penn Valley, CA on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 02:21 am:

I heard an empty headed reporter on the radio a few days ago lamenting that the Connecticut killings have sparked thousands of people to go get guns to be ready to mimic the atrocity. The idiot was serious. It didn't occur to him that folks fearing a knee jerk ban on firearms and an assault on the second amendment are stepping up purchases while they are still possible.

The second amendment is not to protect our ability to hunt, it is to allow us to protect ourselves from attack, not just by criminals but by government overstepping it's just course.

I have been pretty anti-firearms for many years, but for the last few years that has changed. I have something here and do feel that semi-automatic weapons have a real deterrent effect everywhere in this country... a deterrent on a government going wild.

Why is our government cutting funding on the military and trying to keep ammunition and guns out of the hands of citizens? Inquiring minds want to know... it's only paranoia if it's not true!

TH


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Richard Bennett on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 03:27 am:

Fellows, the scene is different here in Australia. Since the Port Arthur massacre, John Howard, then Prime minister, launched a gun buy-back scheme to get as many guns off the streets as possible. There are of course illegal firearms still out there for those who want to avail themselves of same.

For those with a legitimate purpose for owning a firearm, they are still available. Each is registered to an owner. That owner has to keep it in a locked cabinet, with the ammunition locked up separately.

Class A allows me to keep an air rifle
Class B allows a centrefire rifle and a break action shotgun
Class C allows a self-loading rifle, a pump action shotgun, but only with a magazine capacity up to 5 rounds
Military style automatic and self loading rifles of large magazine capacity are banned.
My allowable reason to hold these is for hunting and primary production {vermin shooting}

I purchased a near new pump action shotgun from a friend, who had no reason to hold it under the gun buyback scheme. I could use it on the farm.

Handguns are only available to ordinary citizens if they are a member of a pistol club, regularly attend shoots and keep the guns in an arsenal at the pistol club. Police, security etc are obviously exempt.

And the sky has not fallen in!

To gain a license to purchase a firearm, one must go through a Police check, a psychological assessment, and then a considerable training period in firearm safety and operation, having already established a reason to keep a firearm.

For your interest, and to perhaps show there is another way to have some firearm control, if that would help.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 09:40 am:

It's a "horse has left the barn" situation. The weapons are out there and they aren't coming back. In fact certain allowed types can be converted to automatic operations anyway. Let's face it, a person with a late 1800's revolver can do as much damage given enough time. Stopping them from entering a place is a better answer. Better security, metal detectors, early warning/alerting authorities systems, locking entry ways (a 2 door setup where you enter and are basically trapped in an area and have to be buzzed in), ect. Yeah, certain weapons should be banned to the public but I believe it won't stop what's going on. Not to mention an improved health care system that allows people to get help for those that need it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 04:46 pm:

There are several easy ways for a demented individual to kill dozens of people. No gun needed.
The only real "fix" is to get all the liars and thieves out of our governments and bureaucracies so that they can quit spending most of the taxpayer's money lining the pockets of their friends and themselves (I unfortunately have way too much firsthand knowledge of this). Only then will there be proper programs to help those that need it.

Regardless, try to enjoy the holidays! W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Thursday, December 20, 2012 - 10:36 pm:

Daniel, The first thought that came to my mind was: Who is Robert W. Johnson? What relation is he to you, and why did you put so much trust in him? Is he a relative? Is he a friend or acquaintance? For me to place that much responsibility in someone, he'd better be someone that is closer to me than someone who advertises on Craig's List that he does "house sitting"! If he was just a friend or acquaintance, He'd better be someone that I trusted with my life. Giving anyone less responsible with that much to lose, is kind of like the judgement that the mother in Connecticut used in keeping guns and ammo in the house and taking her 20 year old son to the firing range even though she knew he was a "loose cannon"!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Thursday, December 20, 2012 - 11:14 pm:

Allan, I wouldn't brag about Australia's gun laws. Taking the ability of self-defense away from citizens has given Australia the highest "Victim Rate" for crime in the World. 1 in 3 residents are crime victims. And it hasn't stopped murders by firearms.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Richard Bennett on Friday, December 21, 2012 - 06:28 pm:

Ken, I wasn't bragging about our gun laws, merely giving another perspective. What the laws have done is at least given the authorities a handle on where the guns are, the people who own them, and how they can be accounted for.

Of course, there are guns available on a black market and these are used in criminal activities.

I would be interested in the source of the 'victim rate' figures you mention. What exactly were the crimes? Would owning a gun have prevented them?

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Friday, December 21, 2012 - 08:07 pm:

It only gives the authorities the location of the "legal" guns. As you say, there will always be a black market just as there is for drugs. Removing access to contraband has never in the history of the World prevented criminals from obtaining it. (Including the US attempt to outlaw alcohol.)

Owning a gun may have prevented many of the crimes whether the gun was used or not. The mere knowledge, by a criminal, that a potential victim has a weapon is a deterrent in itself. It's a fact that states that have enacted concealed carry laws have seen their crime rate go down. And it's happened all over the US. We see this in reverse in Chicago and New York. These are two cities that have outlawed guns and their crime rates went up. That's what happens when criminals know certain areas will have no guns. (Including schools, churches, banks, sports gatherings, etc.)

The data is from a UN commission study. While the info is about 10 years old, it's the most recent made available from the study. It still shows that "no guns" is not a deferent to crime. In fact, the opposite is true. Look at the other countries that have strict or no-gun laws. They're all at the top.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Friday, December 21, 2012 - 08:23 pm:

Allen - Ken knows what he's talking about. I wondered too, and I found on the internet, several sources that list Australia as number one, the highest crime victim rate in the world, and I believe New Zealand was right behind! Take a look Allan; I was curious as I have relatives in the Sydney area (Campbell Town) (SP?) and thought it strange that they never mentioned crime or guns or anything. But then I suppose whatever you're used to hearing on the news probably seems like "normal" when you don't know how your society compares with the rest of the world. By the way, doing this from memory, but I think the USA was something like 23%, and Australia 29.7% or something, with half a dozen or so countries between Australia and the USA. Take a look, it's quite interesting (in a kind of morbid sort of way),.....harold


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Friday, December 21, 2012 - 08:26 pm:

Well shoot!!! You type faster than me Ken; and I got the figures a bit wrong anyway!

Oops! Poor choice of words; should have said "shucks"!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Friday, December 21, 2012 - 10:18 pm:

POST HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC. After that, therefore because of that. The rooster crows and the sun rises. Therefore the rooster crowing causes the sun to rise. I eat kimchi at every meal and there are no elephants in my garden. Therefore eating kimchi keeps elephants out of my garden. Australia has strong gun laws and has a high victim rate. Therefore strong gun laws cause high victim rates? No. Japan has some of the strictest gun controls on the planet and is at the bottom of the list. Therefore strict gun laws reduce crime? Maybe. Maybe not. The chart does not prove the influence of gun laws one way or the other.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve McClelland on Friday, December 21, 2012 - 10:57 pm:

Guns, Guns, Guns.... Every time a nut case uses a gun in a crime everyone wants to get rid of the guns then we feed and house the POS that committed the crime for the next 50 years! When it should be an eye for an eye in most cases, I've watched this over and over again on TV they catch the shooter he admits to the crime then says the devil made me do it or what ever other lamb excuse he can come up with.

Then our system steps in even though he's confessed we gotta spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on a trial, when in reality on the confession date they should have taken care of him the same day! Finished! Done! ...

What about the guy that used a Stanley hammer and killed half his family 4-5 people total, I sure didn't see people standing on the street corners holding signs saying TAKE ALL THE STANLEY HAMMERS OFF THE MARKET...!

What the American public needs to realize is this, for ever bad guy with a gun! It takes a Good guy with a gun to Stop him!

My opinion is had the mother of the 20 man been responsible with her weapons, NO ONE WOULD HAVE HAD-ACCESS to them to start with other than her ! The owner of the firearm is ultimately responsible the weapon... Period !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve McClelland on Friday, December 21, 2012 - 11:00 pm:

Sorry 20 year old son not (20man)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Friday, December 21, 2012 - 11:17 pm:

Warm and Fuzzy is for fools, Smith And Wesson is for realists!

“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
Albert Einstein

“Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.”
George Carlin

“Whenever a man does a thoroughly stupid thing, it is always from the noblest motives.”
Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray

“Evil isn’t the real threat to the world. Stupid is just as destructive as Evil, maybe more so, and it’s a hell of a lot more common. What we really need is a crusade against Stupid. That might actually make a difference.”
Jim Butcher, Publicity and Advertising


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Deichmann, Blistrup, Denmark on Saturday, December 22, 2012 - 03:56 am:

Ken, take a look on what kind of crimes are counted in. Bicycle theft for example - yes I believe bicycle theft is one of the high number crimes in Denmark - should we allow guns so we could shoot a bicycle thief?
Come on! This is not Sante Fe in 1850!
Here is another one - I do not know the source and I found it on the net:

Danish law seems to be much like the Australian.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Saturday, December 22, 2012 - 06:12 am:

HCI is well known for skewing statistics to promote therir liberal agenda. First off, you need those figures PER CAPITA to have any meaning. On top of that, I suspect those figures include justifiable homicide including police shooting criminals.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Saturday, December 22, 2012 - 10:11 am:

A friend posted that same list on Facebook and said she had received it from a friend or relative in Mexico. When I pointed out to her that Mexico wasn't on the list, she hadn't noticed. (I don't see Iceland or Andorra, either...) As Hal says, a list composed to support an agenda.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Saturday, December 22, 2012 - 10:22 am:

Michael, With all due respect, just because people in European Union countries are sheep doesn't mean America has to follow it's Socialist ways. If I recall it was American that saved Europe WITH GUNS AND BLOOD twice no less so you people could still keep making the wrong choices. When the third storm comes to Europe (and mark my words it will) all you fools without guns are going to be caught with your pants down either dead or enslaved! Oh by the way Merry Christmas!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Saturday, December 22, 2012 - 10:30 am:

There's probably no list of what's available medical wise in the low crime rate countries but I think they might have as many weapons as we do (population adjusted) out there. I believe they may have a better system for finding & weeding out & treating these people. The guns and nut jobs are there too. They apparently have less of a chance to use them. Perhaps they get help, wanted or not, sooner than they do here.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Saturday, December 22, 2012 - 10:49 am:

That's a little blunt, Jay, but I know what you are saying. Many don't know that before the US became involved in WWII, American citizens gave/loaned many guns to the people of England. They were looking at an impending German invasion and the people had long since been disarmed by their government. I don't know how many were sent, but they were sent. Thankfully, they were not needed.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/650257/posts


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Saturday, December 22, 2012 - 10:58 am:

Hal, Blunt was the name of the town I grew up in! It was a place the foolish seldom tread!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Saturday, December 22, 2012 - 12:21 pm:

If you use a frame work of only mass shootings, by single crazed individual, of just the last five years, the USA doesn't have a monopoly. Gun bans don't stop the insane killers, and don't protect innocent unarmed victims.


September 23, 2008 - FINLAND - A student opened fire in a vocational school in Kauhajoki in northwest Finland, killing nine other students and one staff member, then killed himself.

March 11, 2009 - GERMANY - A 17-year-old gunman dressed in black combat gear killed nine students and three teachers at a school near Stuttgart. He also killed one other person at a nearby clinic. He was later killed in a shoot-out with police.

November 5, 2009 - USA - A gunman opened fire at Fort Hood, a U.S. Army base in Texas, killing 13 people and wounding 31. An Army major is charged in connection with the rampage.

June 2, 2010 - BRITAIN - A gunman opened fire on people in towns across the rural county of Cumbria. Twelve people were killed and 11 injured. The gunman then killed himself.


July 22, 2011 - NORWAY - A gunman blew up a government building in Oslo and then opened fire at a youth summer camp of Norway's ruling political party, on the holiday island of Utoeya, killing 77 people.

July 20, 2012 - USA - A masked gunman killed 12 people and wounded 58 when he opened fire on moviegoers at a showing of the Batman film "The Dark Knight Rises" in Aurora, a suburb of Denver.

August 5, 2012 - USA - A gunman opened fire during Sunday services at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. He killed six people before he was shot dead by police.

December 14, 2012 - USA - A heavily armed gunman killed at least 20 children and six adults at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, and a body was found elsewhere in the town. The gunman was also dead.


Source: nydailynews.com


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Randy Driscoll on Sunday, December 23, 2012 - 08:25 pm:

For years the news media has gotten away with mislabeling firearms for the sole purpose of trying to scare the public. Since the Gun Control Act of 1934 it has been illegal for the general population to own automatic weapons unless legally acquired through a lengthy and difficult process involving a $200 tax, being finger printed and notification sent to ATF, FBI and your local Chief Law Enforcement Officer.
The news media would like you to believe an AR15 is a machine gun; it is not. They call it a military weapon; it is not. Obama calls it a weapon of war; it is not. It is a semiautomatic civilian rifle. Assault rifles are fully automatic and can't be purchased without going through the 6 month process I described above. The only assault rifles I know of that were used in a crime were the two those guys used to rob a bank in Bakersfield, CA I believe.
Thirty years ago you could waltz on down to the hardware store and pick up a Remington or Winchester semiauto 30-06 and walk right out the door with it. No background check, no waiting period and more firepower than an AR15. We didn't have mass shootings back then. Whats changed? Only the people. Making guns harder to get for law abiding citizens will do little to cure the problem.
I am a gun collector but I don't own an AR15 simply because my interests lie elsewhere. Just because I don't necessarily want one doesn't mean I want the rights of others to own one infringed upon.
The Second Amendment states we have a right to keep and bear arms. They weren't talking about squirrel rifles, they meant weapons made to kill people.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew David Maiers on Sunday, December 23, 2012 - 08:40 pm:

Randy, Politicians dont want to do anything about this, enstating new gun laws is easy and fits our current administrations agenda.

Liberals made up the term "assault weapon" which is a rifle made to look like an "Assault rifle" look it up, there are two definitions.

all evidence, all facts, all common sense says that more gun control wont do a dam thing. but John Q. public lacks common sense. So if our government bans AW's it "looks" like something has been accomplished, people are happy and Obama got to push his agenda further.

How many school shootings happened when assault weapons were banned? how many school shooting happened when there was no gun control?

the fact is our society is a mess and our priorities are in the wrong places. but nobody wants to face the truth and deal with the hard things so they use Guns as an easy scape goat.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill dugger on Sunday, December 23, 2012 - 08:50 pm:

I have a question that has been bugging me for a while.
How many people are killed in traffic accidents everyday through out the USA?


Just curious
Anyone got the stat's on that.

Bill D


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew David Maiers on Sunday, December 23, 2012 - 08:58 pm:

According to Fox news approx. 40,000 people a year die from vehicle accidents in the USA.

which is about 110 people a day. but thats not a problem.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Sunday, December 23, 2012 - 10:00 pm:

Doesn't anyone but me find it unusual that Mr. Chapasko hasn't put two cents in on his original post and thread about being cheated. With everything that has been posted, I would think he would have something else to say. It makes me wonder if he really was cheated at all; or if he is just vindictive toward Mr. Johnson.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve McClelland on Sunday, December 23, 2012 - 10:33 pm:

Bill,
Sense about May of this year in Tennessee alone can't account for other areas, I started paying attention to our amber alert signs on I-75 the number of traffic fatalities in TN. Was 384 in May, just today I looked up as I passed under one the toll now stands at 2018 people killed on TN hwy's. they also announced on the evening news they expect over two million tourist to pass through our state going and coming to visit family over Christmas week. So I'm sure that will go way up in the next few days...


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