Henry Ford once said;
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him; better take a closer at the American Indian"
Look how well the "War on Poverty" is doing since the US government started it 50 years ago. How about that "Lockbox" where Al Gore said we were going to place our social security funds right before he and Congress spent it?
Gore lost. Our guy, Dubya, and Congress spent it.
And the current idiot continues to spend it by a factor of 10 (at least).
When it comes to spending, I'm surprised anyone is still trying to make comparisons.
A few of my favorite quotes by Henry Ford.
“Life is a series of experiences, each one of which makes us bigger, even though sometimes it is hard to realize this”
"One of the greatest discoveries a man makes, one of his greatest surprises, is to find he can do what he was afraid he couldn’t”
“Don’t find fault, find a remedy; anybody can complain”
He can't spend 10˘ on his own. Congress decides how much the prez can spend.
steve, while it is technically true that all appropriations bills start in the US house of Representatives the president has power to spend independent of them. His executive orders are responsible for loads of money. Keep in mind that congress never even signed a deceleration of war for Iraq or Afghanistan but never the less the president has the power to send troops and keep them there!
Obama heads the steering committee.
Who controls the Military budget? Troops won't go anywhere without money.
1/8 of our present $16 Trillion debt is due to just two obsolete weapons: the F-22 and F-35. CONgress buys things the military doesn't even want, because of the lobbying power of Lockheed Martin, Boeing and Northrop Grumman.
Richard, where did you get that quote?
The Dems controlled Dubya's government for the last 6 years, and the Dems controlled Obama's government during the time that the spending was increased. When the Republicans try to hold back on spending, they are blamed for being divisive and are accused of driving us over the fiscal cliff. Obama promised to end tax breaks for the rich in 2008, he had the power to do so when he came to office in 2009, and as late as 2010 he still had full power, but he chose to wait until the Republicans could be blamed for his failure.
Ralph, there are almost 1.8 million hits for the quote on Google. I looked at the top ten or twelve. Seven were attributed to Ford, one to Reagan and the rest quoted it without attribution.
That means it probably wasn't a Henry Ford original statement. Did he make any other statements about evil government?
My lady friend sent it to me. Don't know here she got it. Sounds like something Henry would have said.
Gus, where do you get those "facts?" The Senate has been constipated ever since the 1975 filibuster rules requiring a supermajority of 60 votes to do anything have been in place. Neither Bu$h nor Obama has had that supermajority.
The Repubs won big in the House in 2002, and ruled it until 2007. They took over again in 2011, so there were two years under Bu$h the Dems had the majority of the House, and two years under Obama.
Bu$h took a budget surplus in 2001 and turned it into a $10 Trillion deficit by 2009, while approving a $700 Billion bailout for the Banksters. Talk about welfare. Obama and CONgress have done nothing to cut off welfare to the banksters.
HSBC got caught laundering money for the drug cartels and recently got a small slap on the wrist ($1.9 Billion.) Nobody was even charged with the crimes, let alone punished. Any small timer charged with dealing drugs should use the HSBC example of why they should be let go.
47% of all statistics are made up on the spot. I was going on memory on the Bush ear, and my be wrong.
A constipated senate is not a bad thing, it stops bad things from happening. We do not need any more new laws, it is already impossible for a small business to operate with out violating some law. As an example, I was written up by OSHA years ago because I did not have screen on my out house, I asked what size of mesh to use, and was told to check the regulations. I found that on page one, the screen was required to be small enough to stop flies from getting it, fair enough, but an page two, the screen requirement was large enough to allow flies to get out WTF how is it possible to run a small business with this type of regulation, and then Obama tells me that all the work I went through to build my business does not count, I guess Al Gore built my business, while he was building the interweb.
(how is that for dodging the question?)
you blab about spending on our military, why dont you look at what we spend on welfare? as i remember its where 50% of our spending goes.....
Our military spending IS mostly welfare - for the Military Industrial Security Complex.
Gus, Faux News took only part of Obama's statement, which was talking about infrastructure. You didn't build THAT, the road that got customers to you.
Social Security is not welfare. It was paid by workers.
And paid out to a whole lot of people who haven't and don't work for it. Hence making it welfare.
When SSI started out, it was a great thing, then money started piling up and all of a sudden the politician, "Gee, that money is just setting there, we need to spend it".
Then came all these welfare plans. Now all these people that never paid into it are getting the benefits and bitch if they are cut.
I do not watch Faux news, it is total crap, I saw Obama give the speech, I was shocked, if I had seen it reported on Faux news, I would have thought they were making it up, what Obama said was basically the same as saying anyone with a university education, did not contribute anything to that education,
The current government, be it republican or democrat, do their best to make it impossible to do business unless you are a major corporation, that can afford a room full of lawyers to deal with the rules and regulations. But for Obama to show his disdain for small businessmen in the manner that he did is unbelievable.
I have a (very liberal) friend who is very critical of FNC. He doesn't actually watch it, of course, but knows all about it from hearing what NPR, MSNBC and other major media say about it. (Of course, he's still part of the diehard crowd that believe that a secretary in the Texas ANG in the early 1970s was typing memos with MS Word and a laser printer. )
Uh, Dick, I guess you've never seen or heard of an IBM Selectric typewriter? It was in wide use by 1972, and had the golf ball typeset you could change in a flash. And it did superscripts and subscripts.
The IBM Selectric typewriter was a highly successful model line of electric typewriters introduced by IBM on July 31, 1961.
Instead of the "basket" of individual typebars that swung up to strike the ribbon and page in a traditional typewriter, the Selectric had a type element (frequently called a "typeball", or even more informally, a "golf ball") that rotated and pivoted to the correct position before striking. The type element could be easily changed so as to print different fonts in the same document, resurrecting a capacity that had been pioneered by the Blickensderfer typewriter sixty years before. The Selectric also replaced the traditional typewriter's moving carriage with a paper roller ("platen") that stayed in position while the typeball and ribbon mechanism moved from side to side...
Selectrics and their descendants eventually captured 75 percent of the United States market for electric typewriters used in business.
Dan Rather said last year that orders came to CBS from the White House to fire him after his 2004 segment on AWOLBush's USAF Reserve records.
You get more real news in six minutes on Jon Stewart's "Daily Show" than all day on other programs.
I remember when a newly elected president remarked, "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country!"
I'm guessing that'd be a tough concept to sell, nowadays.
Ah ha, I've figured it out. If we get rid of Obama and he isn't spending so much money then we can have some of it and we can all go out and take our money and buy
You guessed it, GUNS!!!!!
Ralph, I should introduce you to Stu. You both buy the loony Selectric story.
I was a personnel officer in the Air Force, and also the equipment custodian for the Directorate of Personnel at LRAFB. When I got to Holland several years later, I ended up as Administrative Manager of the company I worked for. I was very, very familiar with typewriters and other machines for putting text onto paper. Selectrics - like other typewriters of that period - did not do curly quotes, and the technique for superscripts and subscripts was to stop typing, roll the platen one click up or down (a single-space line was two clicks, so that created a half-line), type the text you wanted higher or lower, and then roll the platen back to where it was. The size of the letter didn't change, only its position on the paper.
Microsoft Word, Times New Roman font, laser printer. It's fake, Ralph. Sorry.
Oh my, Ralphie and Dick exchanging...this could get mighty interesting
I for one don't get too far into this stuff, actually don't even recall the typewriter 'golf ball' saga...but...
As a person of the era and in the military at the exact same time as this supposed foible...
Only the real 1st Tier companies were buying the Selectrics at the time as they were as expensive as all get out. I got out of the military in 1972 and all of my own military work was done on typewriters that didn't need to be plugged in. (There may have been a reason?)
I was actually amazed at joining a company called ITT and finding that the IBM Selectric WAS the office standard for any real communication stuff, yet also recall that the golf-ball was fairly constricted in what it offered. You wanted a special 'golf ball' that did some of the fancy stuff? It was like the computer programs of today and cost you 1/2 again what the typewriter cost.
So it goes and for what it is worth Just a recollection 'of the times' firsthand...
Now I sit here with the logical question draining the brain. Do I really think the government, at a reserve training command, would have had the most expensive typewriter possible, with the elitist expensive 'balls'? When the active troops were still using non-electrical lever types? Oh well, there's a place to think that through a little more but I've already done that part today
Have fun...I do at times appreciate some of these drifts
Also true, George. I almost included that aspect as well. The answer to your final question is no. They probably all had manual Remingtons.
George, the Texas ANG that www.awolbush.com was in, was known as a country club unit with no chance of service in SE Asia. He dropped out of flying when they reportedly started random drug tests. Then he disappeared for a year before his enlistment was up.
Dick, these IBM specialists trump your memory: http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/cbsstatement.pdf
Dick (and sorry Ralph)
A further thought to add as fodder to the previous for the fancy 'ball' theory...
I joined ITT, was selected immediately for the ITT Management Program and my first assignment was a real plum. I got to be a Personal Assistant / Intern (read clip-board carrier...but boy did I learn a lot by association) to Big Hal Geneen!
Like I said, the Selectric was the standard of choice at ITT...but I just recalled something else about those special 'balls'. The queen mother of the executive secretaries (every office had one, eh?) was the keeper of the special 'balls' under lock and key. They were still so expensive that they were loaned out like library cards on a special needs basis. I'm not talking scientific characters here, basically everything other than the stock 'ball'.
George, you have to realize that, if George Bush had left the White House when he was president and walked across the Potomac, Ralph would have bitched because we had a president who didn't know how to swim.
Ralph, my computer won't open the link, but I note that you are citing cbsnews.com as support for a CBS position. Nothing like a good, unbiased opinion.
I'm not saying that Rather created the hoax but, like you, he was so eager to believe it that he grabbed and ran with it, even though it was full of holes.
I was a business equipment salesman from 1964-74, with two years out as draftee. The Selectric was in business offices everywhere. There were rooms full of automated ones, typing personalized form letters.
In 1977, I bought one surplus for $75, from Hughes AirWest, intending it as a computer printer, but never used it. Wish now I had kept it, instead of some other worthless junk.
When Dan Rather started being the guy on CBS news, I quit watching CBS News. He was an A**hole.
I liked Walter Cronkite(sp).
Geez Ralph, Sounds like if you stub your toe you blame it on Bush! ,Get over it! You need to stop watching Chris Matthews in his tin foil hat get chills up his leg for the President on PRAVDA or is that MSNBC, oh well same thing!, Besides the worlds going to end tomorrow any way..............see ya on the other side my friend. :-)
Unfortunately, Obama has continued too many of the Bush policies, like the unPatriot Act. The NSA is building a huge data collection facility in Utah to record everything. They will only search it for to look at those who get out of line.
I never watch Matthews, Jay. Eliot Spitzer is the smartest guy in the room. If he hadn't been torpedoed with a hooker, he'd be Prez today, and doing a much better job. He's a prosecutor, not a compromiser.
RD, regarding that Obama quote... your version:
>You didn't build THAT, the road that got customers to you.
I was offended with what Obama said and have never heard anyone say what I think about it, vis: I didn't build the road (or infrastructure), but I sure as hell paid taxes to build it!
You tax or regulate the producers out of doing business and where do your taxes come from? I guess from all those buhzilliaonairres making $250,000 per annum!
A big reason I have dropped out of dentistry and a lot of my professional friends have left medicine is due to the massive and totally moronic intrusion of government regulations and punitive measures into the profession. This was to save you money... how's that working out for you?
Never forget what President Reagan said. Here is the link:
Reagan raised taxes 13 times.
Funny thing, Terry, just two weeks ago I asked my dentist of the last 38 years when he was going to retire. He smiled and said probably never. He didn't say a thing about govt. His wife does the books: handwritten statements just like 38 years ago.
I was surprised by the PBS "Frontline" a few months back, where people who can't afford a dentist go to the ER with infection from an abscessed tooth. They are given antibiotic and sent home, rather than to a dentist. They are back at the ER again in two weeks for a repeat.
I took it that Medicaid/Medicare doesn't pay for any dental work. The only way for the poor to get dentristy, they implied, was through dentists volunteering their services.
I am "moved" by Ricks' obfuscation. Was is 13 or 11 tax increases? Which lie is correct? See below.
Now that I am back from "moving" in the restroom, let's continue.
Check this link:
http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/06/ronald-reagan-raised-taxes-11-times-the-real-s tory/ A-Hole.:, especially his lies.
Is that link wrong? If so, fine. But the point is that if it is wrong, then prove it: point by point, in detail.
Moreover, it appears that dentists do accept Medicaid/Medicare. If dentists want to volunteer their services, then they are free to do so. They could write off their volunteer services on their taxes. Ricks could also work for free if that is his big desire and would make himself feel that he is more worthwhile. Check this link:
The original point of this thread was that a person should not entrust their own destiny to the government.
Ricks needs to listen to and learn from Mark Levin on channel 125, the Patriot Channel on Sirius.
In a way, it would be nice if Obama were the last President of the USA, because it is, after all, headed towards its ultimate demise. And don't forget that worthless Boehner, and that even more worthless Reid. Seems as if the demise of the USA is a "team effort", doesn't it. Sort of fitting isn't it, don't you think? The rest of us, excluding Ricks and his ilk, will make things right.
Let's hear some more of your lies, Ricks.
OK, so I misremembered, as the late President Reagan would say. It was 11, not 13. The important point was who he raised taxes on - the middle class.
President Reagan, has remained popular as an anti-tax hero despite raising taxes eleven times over the course of his presidency, all in the name of fiscal responsibility. Reagan ultimately raised taxes more times than he cut them. According to Paul Krugman, "Over all, the 1982 tax increase undid about a third of the 1981 cut; as a share of G.D.P., the increase was substantially larger than Mr. Clinton's 1993 tax increase."[9
Why do you link to a NY dental resource directory, rather than Texas, Max? Are you not proud of Texas, a state with a really high percentage of minimum wage jobs?
"According to Paul Krugman..."
The operative phrase, I'm afraid. Wikipedia is not a particularly accurate source of information, since it is written by its participants. This is probably not an issue in a discussion of the chemical composition of a certain substance or the factory colors available for a 1955 Ford, but more so when it concerns political issues. I note that the Wiki quote again includes the "eleven times during the course of his presidency" with no reference to the points raised in Max's link.
The Reagan tax stuff probably needs more research to be accurate. Consult Mark Levin, the "Great One" on that point. I believe the 11 and/or 13 tax hike argument is inaccurate. Check the "Great One" at www.marklevinshow.com.
As to dentists, I searched Google, and it gave me the NY listing instantly, so I copied and pasted it for my initial response. Remember, the previous discussion was not limited to Texas dentists. If you Google "dentist medicare medicaid", you can find many, many dentists from all over the USA who accept such coverage. Dentists seem to love medicare and medicaid coverage.
From the patient's perspective, Medicare and Medicaid probably pay better than my own present private coverage, which makes no downward adjustments to my dentist's charges (which I would not ordinarily owe). My private coverage simply pays a set amount regardless of my dentists's charge, but I have to pay the remaining balance of what my dentist's charges that my insurance does not pay. On the contrary, Medicare and Medicaid patients probably don't get charged for the difference, as I am. The truth is that private insurance companies do not make downward adjustments to my dentist's charges in what I must ultimately pay my dentist. Basically, my dentist can charge whatever the hell he wants, and then get it from either my insurance company or from me, but he will get his pound of flesh nonetheless. Therefore, I actually don't give a crap about my dentist, or any other dentist that I might see for that matter.
One link to a list of dentists who accept medicare and/or medicare in Odessa, Texas is:
Again, it appears that most dentists accept medicare and/or medicaid.
A Google search of Medi-Cal will produce a list of California dentists who accept medicare and medicaid.
The perverse ethical and business delimma for dentists is that if they do good dental work, then they put themselves out of business. Sort of self-defeating in a way, isn't it? Again, for all these reasons, of all my medical care providers, I could care least about dentists. Ricks, you really struck a nerve with me when you mentioned dentists.
IIRC the selectrics also had a way to tell the font size that read off the ball (from 8 to 10 point), and the typewriter adjusted to it automatically... it's been years since I got to play with one, but they were amazing machines. You even had to know how many partial spaces each character was to do a "justified" type letter (my stepmom could do it - fascinating!) and have it turn out right. And a bunch of fonts, standard *and* italic.
What I always wanted were "holy grail" balls with the key caps to match - the foreign language ones, such as Cyrillic Standard Russian, or Kanji. Fun stuff, and a lot more interesting than rehashing politics.
Oh yeah - the machines were $350+ (back in 60's-70's dollars) and the balls were from $49 to $250, depending on what you wanted... but they were FAST as Frontenac!
I have an idea: split the forum into technical and political sections. By the way, I enjoy reading both.
Susanne, there was a switch on the Selectric II to change from 10-pitch to 12-pitch (didn't use points, which has to do with font size, but pitch, which was characters per inch). The likelihood that a secretary would use a smaller size for a superscript was, in my view, pretty negligible. She would have to:
1. Type, for example, "111."
2. Stop typing, and roll the platen 1/2 line up.
3. Change the typewriter's pitch from 10 to 12.
4. Replace the 10-pitch ball with a 12-pitch ball.
5. Type "th."
6. Replace the 12-pitch ball with the original 10-pitch ball.
7. Change the typewriter's pitch from 12 to 10.
8. Roll the platen back to its original position.
9. Continue typing the sentence.
Somehow, I don't think so....
Irrelevant side note: In 1979 and 1980, Anja and I were translating several books from English to Dutch for a Dutch publisher. We had rented a Selectric II from a local office supply company ($50 a month, as I recall), but had to add accents by hand. (Dutch doesn't use a lot of accents, but does use some.) On a trip to Holland, we visited the publisher and he gave us an IBM "golf ball" with the accents needed in Dutch.
I say it was the butler with a candlestick in the study!
Both parties are full of crisis constructors chronically using laws, rules and executive orders to determine who makes money and who pays, by force. Pick your favorite cause and you'll note a bunch of politicians, socialists, and corporatists to profiting and reigning over you. By definition fascism.
But if you want to blame somebody for the current state of affairs in the United States --
crisis construction (global warming; ethanol mandate; wars on ideologies, movements and habits, etc.),
continual erosion of liberty, freedom, property, individualism,
lies and mis-information in the media;
then you'd better keep a mirror handy and look into it directly. Sick stuff.
The greatest thing you can do is stand up for yourself, expecting NOTHING from anyone else, depending on NO ONE but yourself. Stop yielding to your ugly human nature and have some faith.
Jay, no way. I have the candlestick card. Dan
Well, getting back to what this thread was about. Henry Ford did, said, and wrote many things including the International Jew.
The more things change, the more they stay the same!
I am not so worried about Obama and his bunch as I am about the American people --their swing to an attitude that "The Government should give me something free"
Human nature is such that if you give me something free you now owe it to me forever--don't even think about taking it back. I must admit that I tend to think that way too.
In my opinion, that is what won Obama the election--think about it.
We now have a VERY divided nation--I wonder if we can ever get it back to "there are no free rides--Everyone (except the truly poor and sick) should be willing to work hard for what they get!"
These are my thoughts--yours may be different.
Marry Christmas, Joe
Sorry, my bad--- MERRY CHRISTMAS JOE
Maybe we should "Marry" Christmas? Keep it in our hearts and live it every day of the year.
Do drive carefully, and have a very Merry Christmas! W2