Take a look for yourself, just so unnecessary.
OOOOHHH boy, looks like a Roast.
I'm glad to see the MTFCA members try to look out for each other. Sometimes good and ....
Thank you, much appreciated.
Wow, so not the place to do what was done....
however, is it considered bad form to buy a T on a payment plan? I purchased mine this way, and if someone was willing I'd do it again in a heartbeat.
It does seem odd that the same guy with an ad for "cars wanted" saying he's a collector has a bunch of "for sale" ads saying he needs money for Christmas.
well i guess this guy has been doing some weird stuff for awhile, from what ive heard he has responded to many for sale ads, but will only pay for them in payments.
then he lists model Ts for sale that arent actually his,???? so i dont know whats going on, but when it comes selling such things people tend to be cautious.
I dont think its bad form to pay in payments, but thats something that should be worked out between the seller and the buyer, typically after you have established a trusting relationship.
I don't know Mr. Bissell so I can't formulate an opinion on what type of person he is. Maybe he's a "flipper", you know like one of those people who buy houses low and sell high...
However, there is a such thing as a phone and email...people do not need to be dressed down on a forum or even in the classifieds.
I will fix (delete) those ads when I get home.
Thank you, Chris.
Gone to Pot, Hmmmm I remember that stuff around 35 years ago. Do they still sell that stuff :}
Chris- Can we also get rid of all of the political posts??? There are millions of other websites that people can discuss politics on.
Thanks for all that you do.
I have my car for Sale on there right now and all I get is phone calls from people that want to sell it for me........One guy wanted to know if I was the ORIGINAL OWNER !!!! I told him I'M OLD (64) but that old.......never heard back,,,was I too harsh with him ??? All of you have a great Christmas and/or Holiday and enjoy your time with the ones you Love.....Carl Mtns. of SoCal...
There is an old saying... If it walks like a skunk and it looks like a skunk and it sounds like a skunk and it smells like a skunk... Don't get behind it!
BTW, +1 on killing politics as well. Even tho my cool typewriter post may get wiped with it. I've seen the political BS wreak havoc on this forum before - somehow, unless it's Harding VS Hoover, I can't see how it is relevant to the topical nature of this board.
Just my 2 cents... Sus
Thanks for the link to define that Cavity empty tar.I knew sorda what it meant because Ron Patterson has used it once in a while in his post.
I'd like to thank all of you who post legitimate ads for stuff that you own outright. I've bought a few things on the classifieds here and have been very, very pleased. THANK YOU!
It depends upon in which state you reside, but things could get very dicey for those who purchase an item from another party who does not own the item outright.
>> but things could get very dicey for those who purchase an item from another party who does not own the item outright <<
Wouldn't this constitute fraud? I would think so. The trouble would be defending yourself in a circumstance of distance with an anonymous seller, read expensive.
I am not a lawyer and cannot give legal advice; but my understanding is, in Alabama, you may be on the hook for full payment (what you owe _and_ what the previous purchaser still owes), or risk forfeiting the item. It's all a matter of how aggressively the jilted owner wants to pursue payment.
I appreciate the Classifieds, having been completely satisfied with all merchandise and communications involved. i'm not recommending this service be made available to someone setting up shop, where the terms and intent of that business come off ambiguous. James: Sounds like you operate a used car business...you should say as much in simple English. Plenty of service providing members advertise here... those folks are frank about their product/service.
I get a good laugh out of the whiners who what the powers that be to remove content because it hurts their warm and fuzzy feelings......buck up!
I agree... have an argument somewhere besides the classifieds which are a valuable resource for many of us. Profiles have private message links in them.
Interesting question whether the buyer has an enforceable right to title once the parties agree to a payment plan. If the agreement is silent as to when title passes, it could be construed as an installment contract where legal title passes when final payment is made. I think courts generally dislike such interpretations because buyers can forfeit all payments unless the car is paid in full.
I think in California, a payment plan works the same way as if you purchased a new car and made payments to the bank who finances the sale. The buyer is the registered owner who can sell the car and the bank is the lien holder who has a right to take the car and sell it to satisfy the outstanding balance in the event of default.
Usually the car is worth less than the remaining balance and so the buyer looses all prior payments. But to address some comments made earlier, the buyer can certainly sell the car before its paid off.
Some day, if I live long enough, I will perhaps understand why people who object to off-topic posts read posts that are clearly marked as "off topic" and then complain mightily about them, i.e. I suppose having been forced against their will to read them. It seems a bit like going to the zoo and then complaining that there are animals everywhere....
Dick, I find when Liberals and Progressives can't win in the arena of idea's they move to stifle your right to free speech to preserve their Ivory Tower believes from being debunked.
Jay -- Well said!!
I've sold a couple of old cars where I allowed the buyer to make installment payments and I have always been happy to do so. I just did a deal with a buyer where he gave me a deposit and will pay the balance by May 1. Of course, I am keeping the car and the title and neither will be released until the car is paid in full. I also make it clear on the sales agreement that all deposits and payments are non-refundable. This deal works out well for the buyer because he is getting the car he wants, he has five months to pay the money and he doesn't have to worry about storing the car during winter. He is in a cold state too, so he really can't use the car until spring anyway. Anytime you do a payment-type deal, make sure you and the buyer agree to the terms and that the terms are clearly spelled out in a written agreement.
Fred, Dick and Jay, I'm with you guys. OT means Off Topic. If you don't like the content please put your head back in the sand and ignore it. Unless you agree with me. If you do please voice your concerns and try to get the guys with the wrong point of view to admit there full of --it and move on.
Actually...there is a little bit more to that OT than most think. It WAS supposed to be a well thought out solution to what was then a very perplexing problem.
The REAL technical advice side of our hobby use to reside over on the other forum...tried, true, and blue the advocates for the tech basis for the most part would never venture here because of the then 'back-porch' view to anything and everything which may or may not even relate to a 'T'on this forum. The same held true in reverse.
Yes the times change, the people change, the views change...but when the first spat came along after a trial open-minded view to commonality came along with the Centennial...the solution to the folks aboard was to go with the OT disclaimer for the real back porch side and then everybody would be happy and no reason to divorce again. Call it marriage counseling and quite frankly it worked and has worked fine.
But times change, folks who were not part of the open forum gentlemans agreement 'deal' are not aware of the deal, and yeah we have a few wild fliers where 1/3 of the responders find it entertaining, 1/3 find it amusing and interesting and the final 1/3 find it objectionable. So goes life, eh? But we have not needed a 'forum nazi' to keep it in line, keep it open, and keep it informative. To me that works.
As a personal note...I find it sad that 'some' get tenacious and personal to the point where a post has to be 'pulled' by the webmaster at his sole discretion...but I also find it quite amusing to the point I chuckle that although he has never had to use it, our webmaster has a built in excuse to be authoritarian and even crack the whip to his own tune...because......he'd have to look at Wiki to find out what a 1st amendment right even was! and at the end of the day actually means nothing to 'him'. Sorry for the humor, but I find it charmingly humorous when a post does get pulled and boo-birds decide to balk...I know what I'd say if I were Chris...ha ha...living north of that parallel does allow a different perspective!
Now as to what started this thread...this very story has come around before, I'm sure of it, the same two exact individuals I think and quite frankly it bombed the first time! Said my peace....'nuf said.
Right on George! I think. Maybe you've hit the nail on the head. What do the rest of you guys think of Georges reply? Boy it's right there ain't it. Ain't it?
Seems perfectly simple to me. If a guy only wants to read posts directly related to Model T's, just skip right past the ones that have OT in the title, since that means there is probably no T related discussion contained therein. If you don't care about sports, don't go to the sports bar. However, if you do go there and talk to someone about your T, they probably won't throw you out.
Do they have Model T bars?
Yes I've seen some nice T's in a bar before.
I have see some nice T and A's in bars too! Grin!
I have Model T's and a bar in my garage.
I think I have a bar in my T!
Would they bar you from a bar in Chevy's if you had a model t?
I'm not politic'g either way...because I'd be the first one to go simple majority anyway.
You just earned an 'A' in comprehension and application!
That WAS the sole idea behind the original 'gentlemens agreement'...skip the OT if you want it to be T only (with hopefully but minor thread drift here and there) and you wind up with a T only personal view to the forum
What's all this talk about Model T bras? Can't we just leave well enough alone? Bras are for women and sports cars, not antique iron!
(The late Giklda Radner as Emily Litella on SNL)
Be careful in them bars. Some things are not as they appear..................
Are you suggesting that some Ts are not all original????
Would they bar you from a bar in Chevy's if you had a model t?
Hey, this off topic topic is getting off topic...
Let's get back to the original off topic.
I was laughing at something and was going to make a comment. Then I started laughing at something else and wanted to say something. Then I began to double over and almost lost my dinner laughing so hard. Then I forgot everything I wanted to add.
OH, yeah, I did want to tell Chris thank you, and I am glad I don't have to referee me or the rest of this crowd. There were several other things I don't remember yet.
Drive carefully, and do enjoy the holidays! W2
They are still there on the classified.
I dont know if they have T's in a bar all the time or not.Only been in a couple when they were closed to service video games..
Notice, out of all of the Fords created back then, the Ts and As were the most popular?
And the bar I drove to in my Ford tonight had T's and A's and some didn't have bras in the bar. I'm confused now. I thought this was going to be about pot and reading the classifieds. Now I'm trying to find the connection between the bras or lack thereof and the bars and the T and A. Ooohhhh wait a minute. Something ain't right here. Must be all the pot.
With all this talk of T's and A's makes me wonder. How are your pacemaker - defibrillators functioning?
John, As long as you don't have to wait in the Post Office line for batteries for them I'd say your fine. :-)
Frankly, I more than like them. Although I've only actually met a small handful of the "regulars" that post here I've been around long enough to know what to expect from posters AND I feel comfortable enough to drop in when I feel the urge. It may even be part of the reason this site is so vibrant. You can't find a mix of info & opinions like this anywhere else on the web. Spice of life on a small scale? Yep. Do some need to be cut off? Yes again. And it's done when needed/requested. I'm for it. The T stuff is there in abundance. The op-ed stuff is a welcome plus.
As to the classifieds: I've sold, never bought, on it a number of times. I'm assuming the creeps were there before me and will be there after I'm dust. I just had the common sense/luck to ask here before I jumped at a too good to be true reply.
OT: I drove my 14 T Roadster to the gas station and filled up for only $30.60 today.
If I were the moderator I would delete the posts from the creep who is attacking Mr Russell. James Russell is obviously buying and selling Model T's as a dealer. If he makes a deal to finance the purchase of the cars or the sale of the cars - what is wrong with that?
The man is making a living doing honest business transactions. He is buying from people who want to sell, and selling to people who want to buy.
The fellow attacking James is a miserable low life coward, hiding behind his key board with his infinitesimally small brain.
Ok. So the next question is: Has anyone made a deal with this "dealer"? If he's legit he should be allowed to stay especially if he's actually making T's available to buyers. Frankly I smell a bit of rat but that's me. On the other hand if I had 2 or 3 to get rid of this is the first place I'd be. Odd about the unknown attacker though. Makes me wonder.
I believe Mr.Harding is blatantly ill suited to the office of president, and his administration will set a record for corruption and incompetence. I'll vote for Mr. Cox.
If the attacker had any legitimate beef with James he would post it under his own name, rather than posting infantile snipes at the guy.
Charlie if there is any actual beef you have against Mr Russell let's hear it OK? Why not send the guy an email and ask him about his business? Is it his business or your business? What makes you a judge over his business? Why do you "smell a rat" when the guy is providing his full name, address, and email to all of us?
I'm not making any comments about anyone's integrity, but my instinct would be to pass on this sale. No judgement, just a gut feeling.
Like I said Royce, that's just me. Plus the fact that I almost walked into a scam but asked here first. Another thing: (OK. I admit it's from the unknown poster), the wording sounds exactly like some of the scammer reply's that have been posted here on the Forum. If I was in the market at this time I wouldn't make a move with this guy unless he was vouched for here after what I've read. As to being a judge of his business: I'm the judge over my business and over weather I'd do business with him. Some body's PO'ed at him and therefore, at least, thinks he's been screwed. Would I go into a deal with him at this time? I guess that's my beef with him. I'd want to know what's up.
If I buy a car - or anything else for that matter - I buy the car, not the story. I go to where the car is, look at it, look at the title, and then I pay cash if the title is in the seller's name and the car meets my criteria for value versus dollars in my pocket.
I don't care if the buyer is liked or disliked by some anonymous cretin who shamelessly puts things on the internet without using his own name. That person is not proud of what he says, and as such cannot be taken seriously. I am proud of everything I say, and I don't need to hide behind anonymity.
A number of years ago three of us drove up to Eastern Montana. There was a guy that claimed to have 300 cars in a Yard. When we got there we found that the guy had almost no cars at his place. What he was doing was doing was going around Montana, pricing cars, taking pictures and then go home and advertising then for sale as if he owned them.
I know a guy who makes about 12K a year selling stuff on eBay that he robs pictures of off Wal-Mart, Costco and other sites. He puts a mark-up on the store price and when he sells the item, he goes to said store and buys it and ships it.
He currently has about 5000 items in his eBay store.
He rationalizes it by saying not everyone has access to these stores and/or products so he is providing a service and marking up the items for that service he provides.
Would I do it? Nope. Does it offend me? Not in the slightest. He found a niche and filled it without breaking any laws to do so.
Thats a heck of an idea until you sell a car or product to a person and find your product has already been sold!
Indeed, which is why you won't see me doing it. But my buddy Jay has been doing it for years. When someone buys something he can't get his hands on, he refunds their money of course and/or offers them a substitute product. He has received only one negative feedback in all these years and a few neutrals.
I agree 100% with what you say about buying a car. I would never take one strictly from pictures and assurances as to paperwork but oddly enough the last T I sold was sold exactly that way. Numerous e-mail pictures and correspondence. The guy never saw the car until he showed up cash in hand & trailer + a helper in tow. In fact he never drove it. I pulled it onto the trailer for him. The exact opposite of what I'd do. I just wonder how far it would have gone if he'd heard I'd nailed someone else on an earlier sale.