Hi All,
Stats required for the Ford book if possible please...
Of the total sales made (ie sales, NOT production) by Ford of Canada in 1927 (last year of T production), does anyone know how many of that total were Model Ts?
Or, if 1927 Canadian production figures for both Model T and Model A are known, those would do!
With thanks - John Stokes (New Zealand)

Canadian produced Fords.

The first Canadian Model A engine was produced Feb 2, 1928 so unless they sold the car before it was built, or unless they used a USA produced engine, or unless they sold a USA produced Ford, it would have been in 1928 for the Canadian A. (Ref: http://www.mafca.com/ Scroll halfway down the page to “Data” and click on Canadian engine Production – note two items later you find USA engine production and it shows they produced 5275 USA Model A engines in 1927.) Be sure to see the New Zealand production figures on that same page.

Also on that same page you can go to the Assembly Plant Production figures and see that only 4,186 Model A’s were assembled in the USA in 1927 and NONE were reported assembled anywhere else in 1927. (It does show that Canada did assemble 1482 Model A’s in 1932).

Recommend you send a note to Ford of Canada and ask their Historian for the date the First Canadian sale was made. It is probably documented. For the USA sales one date that is recorded is Dec 1927 and that is listed on MAFCA site above.

I hope that helps.

Hap 1915 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and 1907 Model S Runabout

Oops -- I missed the first paragraph -- it should read:

John,

For 1927 – I believe 100% of Canadian sales would have been Model T Fords. There is a chance they sold a few USA produced Model A Fords – but there would have been a substantial increase in cost due to the tariff/tax so I think they would have waited for the Canadian produced Fords.

The first Canadian Model A engine was produced Feb 2, 1928 so unless they sold the car before it was built, or unless they used a USA produced engine, or unless they sold a USA produced Ford, it would have been in 1928 for the Canadian A. (Ref: http://www.mafca.com/ Scroll halfway down the page to “Data” and click on Canadian engine Production – note two items later you find USA engine production and it shows they produced 5275 USA Model A engines in 1927.) Be sure to see the New Zealand production figures on that same page.

Also on that same page you can go to the Assembly Plant Production figures and see that only 4,186 Model A’s were assembled in the USA in 1927 and NONE were reported assembled anywhere else in 1927. (It does show that Canada did assemble 1482 Model A’s in 1932).

Recommend you send a note to Ford of Canada and ask their Historian for the date the First Canadian sale was made. It is probably documented. For the USA sales one date that is recorded is Dec 1927 and that is listed on MAFCA site above.

I hope that helps.

Hap 1915 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and 1907 Model S Runabout

Is there an authentic hubcap that says Made in Canada? The only ones I've seen are repros. A friend of mine had a 1925 Tudor back in the 60's, and it only had the Ford Script, like a '12 with the letter symbol at the bottom.

Hap, thank you once again. I had seen those stats but suddenly, with your assistance, they made more sense! I have now posted a new thread on an assembly plant coded CO....John

speaking of hubcaps, a frind of mine had a 26 roadster that was made in canada. It had wire wheels, and the wire wheel hubcaps were stamped made in Canada...... I had thought that the Canadian cars with wire wheels all had hubcaps stamped made in USA.... I have never seen another set since.

David,

Any part with "Made in USA" on it would have to pay extra for the tarif/taxes. That is why Ford of Canada used to grind of the "Made in USA" off the engine blocks -- so they wouldn't have to pay as much in the tarif. See Bruce’s book or http://www.modelt.ca/specifications-fs.html So as many of the parts as practical were made in Canada to avoid the tarrifs. That is also why they were the major supplier to most of the British Commonwealth – the tarrif was lower on a Canadian T than a USA made T.

Oddly enough the horn button on top of the steering wheel that was unique to the Canadian cars was made in the USA. So there were exceptions. I don’t know if the horn button assembly had any markings on where it was made.

Larry -- if you don't get a response on the forum, recommend you contact Fronteac Motors at their site listed above -- they probably will know if the Canadian hubcaps were plain or marked and if marked -- which country. On my home computer, I think I have a picture of an original Canadian hubcap -- but you know how "memory" is.

Hap 1915 Model T Ford Touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and 1907 Model S Runabout

Larry, I'm pretty sure that I've got an original "Made in Canada" hub cap over at my Dads place. I'll have a look over there tomorrow. Here is a picture of another couple of Canadian hub caps. One is marked Ford with a B below it, the other is Ford with a C below it. I have seen an A and D, but I don't know what these letters stand for.

James,

I wonder if the letters "A" through "D" correspond to the same year that the casting date codes used on the Canadian engine blocks refer? I don't have my copy of Bruce's book with me but from memory I think they used a letter system to designate the year the block was cast. Might have nothing to do with it or might be related. Hopefully someone can add some additional information.

Hap 1915 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and 1907 Model S Runabout

Hi Hap, you're right with the letter denoting the casting year. The letter A was used for 1924, 1925 B, 1926 C and 1927 D. This was on both the block and the transmission cover.
The hub caps may have had additional letters as well. I'll go through Dads collection when I'm across there today.
Usually it's frownd upon, when Dad and I disappear into the garage within 10 minutes of me arriving there. Today it's fathers day, so I'll grab the little bloke and all three of us can retreat to the garage in relative safety.

James.

Well I've just looked at Dads collection of spare hub caps and unfortunately we don't have any marked "Made in Canada". Although he has some like my ones but these are marked with R, W, E and an A. I'm still not sure what they all mean.

James.

I have three "Made in Canada" hub / grease cups, two of the have a letter M above the Ford script but only show on the inside, I can take pictures tomorrow. They were all on my 1920 Canadian touring.
I also have two centre horn buttons, neither have any external markings, one is made by "the Garford Mfg Co Ohio U.S.A. the second only has Benzamin on it. (the Z is stretched and may be J!)

The two hupcaps that James posted are the ones I've seen on Canadian cars. Is there a Made in Canada for a wood wheel? As far as the letters at the bottom of the cap, I always thought maybe that was the symbol for the company that made the hupcaps. I have a dozen NOS Ford hubcaps, and they have all kinds of different letters on them.

The one at the top right is made of steel.

Canadian grease cups. DCP03271b.jpg (49.6 k)

James W., according to "The" book, page 539, letter A indicates 1923, not 1924, B = 1924, etc.

Hi Hap - the Frontenac site gives 1927 Canadian PRODUCTION of 37,677 - this agrees with the SALES figures I have of 37,891 - the difference must be the left-over 1926 production, actually sold in 1927, given that the first Canadian A engine was produced on 1st Feb, 1928. It remains an assumption, but safe to say the 1927 sales were exclusively Model T. Would you agree?
John

All -- thanks for sharing! There is still so much more to document and learn.

John,

I think you are correct that Ford of Canada did NOT sell any Canadian Model As in 1927.

There might be a slim chance that Ford of Canada sold one of the first 4186 USA produced Model As in 1927. That might have occurred if Ford USA supplied some sample cars to Ford of Canada. On page 59 of Gardner’s “Ford Ahead,” he shares about the first six new Model As shipped to New Zeland as “samples of customers to view and order from.” They were actually left hand drive cars. And based on those samples when the fist shipment of cars arrived in late Jul 1928, he shared they were all “pre-sold.” So were there any “samples sent from the USA to Canada in 1927 – I don’t know. And if there were, were any of them sold in 1927? Again I don’t know. Since you are working to put the information in a book – recommend we try to get that documented – i.e. contact Ford of Canada historical department. Do you want to drop them a note or would you like me to do that?

Hap 1915 Model T Touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and 1907 Model S Ford Runabout in SC

Hi Hap,
Sorry for delay in reply - do you have an email contact for a Ford of Canada historian? That would be helpful. Alternatively, a contact name and/or address for snail mail is fine! I do appreciate that assistance.
I agree that it is sensible and wise to get this right! I've not heard from Model A team yet on this.
Cheers - John

Hi again Hap - given that the new Ford was released very late in 1927, and that the Ford-starved Americans went mad over the new Ford, I feel it is highly unlikely Detroit looked beyond the USA borders for sales. Canada also struggled to meet the domestic demand, and this partly explains the shortages and delays elsewhere. Roger is attempting to find out when the six LHD cars arrived here. To communicate with Ford of Canada over this (and other V8 matters) would be marvellous!
John

John,

I looked but I don't think I have your e-mail address -- I'm not sure. Anyway, if you will please click on my name at the beginning of this posting and send me your address, I will send you a contact at Ford Canada Historical Department.

Hap 1915 Model T Touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and 1907 Model S Ford Runabout in SC