Back on Oct 27 Alan ky posted a picture of a Kunkel heater in his car and I posted what I thought to may have looked like but then someone posted a detail picture of one sold on e-bay that showed it to be a different one then the one I posted.
I have recast a half dozen of the one I posted in aluminum but now would like some help with a better picture of the vents used on these floor model heaters. I wasn't able to get the vent sold on e-bay at the time but have posted the picture and also the complete unit sold last year. What I need to see is a side view of one. I think the rectangular vent will be easier to reproduce and some measurements would also help in completing this design.
The funnel isn't as important but size and shape would help and how it was mounted. Thanks, Bob
Is this something that you are possibly casting and selling to the general public?
I've got a heater installed on my snowmobile. It's not a Kunkel, but the floor vent is extremely similar to the rectangular Kunkel you have pictured above. I will grab the vent tonight after work and take a few pictures of it to post. I'll also get a few of the funnel for you.
In addition to John, I would also be interested in purchasing a unit, as mine is in poor shape.
By the way, not to hijack your thread, did you ever get those Case Eagle emblems done that my brother spoke to you about 2 years ago in Hershey?
Based on the pics you sent me of you and your friend's snowmobiles, I can't fathom how exhaust heat would ever come close to doing the job!
Maybe a gasoline-fuelled heater like those fitted to the Chevrolet Corvair would be more appropriate? :-)
Or, how about a heated suit powered by the magneto?
Well, hey, it's the idea that counts! Kind of like a "mind over matter" idea, right?
Yeah, if you don't mind being cold, then it certainly doesn't matter! Besides, you may not even know you are cold being so used to that kind of weather.
It is sunny here and my three dogs are being movable solar panels, but it is about 40F and the wind is blowing about 20 mph.
So, I'll be either in the garage or the house.
Only 170 pounds at 6'2" doesn't help, but it does give me a good excuse!
You could try a gas heater from an original VW beatle. I understand they work on gasoline similar to the Southern Comforts (or Breeze)in the 1930 Ford cars. My son tells me there is a German gasoline heater that pulses the fuel for more heat control.
I have also been told by old heads that the old gasoline heaters had to settings: Off and HOT!
I have an exhaust heater that came off of a Ford flathead and has an opening for both manifolds to feed the castiron heat exchanger. I also have the blower motor to get the heat up your skirt.
I have not figured out how to use it in any of my T's, but the heater pictured in this thread looks interesting.
After posting the picture of my heater back in October I had a couple guys e-mail me to see if I would make up a couple for them but I didn't have all the parts to complete it. Missing the vent or register for the floor board has me stopped for now and was hoping to save some time in redesigning one if I could see their design first. Been through that with the wheel. grin.
I would make more if there's a market but I've learned not to jump into these projects until they show some promise. Since I don't advertise and only sell at Hershey once a year I have to rely on the T vendors to market my stuff for the most part and if they don't think the item have a chance I usually terminate the project. My son and daughter sell some these cast offs on e-bay and have done surprisingly quite well in spite of the fact.
I have never tried to see how much heat is given off of one these heaters but given that they have the funnel mounted behind of the radiator and fan and the flex pipe is mounted next to the exhaust manifold before going into the heater box it should deliver some measure of heat to the interior. To cast a heat exchanger on the exhaust pipe would make it more efficient but that's a major project given a possibility of it being a no show in sales when done.
Greg did your brother want the small Case eagle emblems or was still interested in the big fence post sized one? The owner of the big one hasn't contacted me yet as to letting me use it as a pattern.
If you approve the pictures of my vent assembly and funnel, I'd be willing to take them off and send them to you to use as patterns if you wanted to complete the project.
I'll check with my brother on the Case emblem. I believe it was the big fence post sized one since I remember something about you having to get in contact with the individual who owns it.
My '22 coupe came with a cast iron Kunkel (with a different style floor register) you wouldn't believe the heat it throws out, I took my grandson out one night to get some gelato at a friends market & after 3 minutes he asked me to close the windshield because he was cold, 2 minutes later he asked me to open it back up again because he was too hot & that was with the register closed.
The Car Came from Upstate New York & probably was great, out here in San Diego it makes the car stiffling without all the windows open, so I removed it.
bob hear is a kunkel as installed in my 26 tudor
My apologies, I attended my town zoning board meeting last night (last min. decision) and didn't get the photos for you. I will get them tonight or tomorrow though.
Thanks for the pictures Alan. I now see that the vent just fits inside the heater box so the floor board can be lifted out when needed. In my model it will have fit over the heater box since the outlet is smaller than on yours and would reduce air flow but in any case it shouldn't be clamped to the vent as I had first thought since the floor board wouldn't be able to be lifted off.
Greg if your heater vent turns out to something that would work with my heater maybe we can work a deal for something I make in trade for letting use it to cast some copies. Bob
I WANT a heater like the one posted on the top. I was going to SNIPE the vent - wish I would have now...
Take it from me - if you make it and no one else has one to sell - EBAY is a GREAT market for your parts. I repo old gas pump parts and sell them on ebay all the time. I have thought about doing model t parts like this too.
Travis E. Towle
drove the t to work this morning at 32deg. the heater kept it nice in the tudor i would say in a coupe they would realy work good
Has anyone tried using a turbocharger or supercharger's intercooler? I was thinking that the exhaust could go through it to heat the air. I just don't know how you'd turn it off when you got too hot.
Here you go, some pics as promised. It took me a while this weekend to remember where I put the vent assembly for "safe keeping" where I would remember its location. Therefore, by the time I found it, evening had set in. My storage building has no electricity, so I went over with a flashlight and took the whole heater assembly off my snowmobile and brought it back to the house.
Hope you can see the details of the vent assembly from these pics.
This picture shows the whole assembly:
Here are views of the shroud assembly where the heater box and vent slide on:
Here are some views of the heater box and vent:
Here are some pics of the funnel and where it attaches to the engine:
Sorry these pics are not the best. I hope you can determine how the heater box and vent assembly is attached to the shroud. Basically, the heater box sits down over the shroud. I was missing the metal flex pipe, so I've been using black flexible heater hose from a VW bug. Seems to work ok and doesn't look too bad either.
Thanks Greg for your pictures. Between yours and Alans I now have a pretty good idea for the vent and funnel designs and have started on a pattern for casting the grill as well as the piece that fits between the grill and the heater box. I will need to mount a heater box on my coupe's exhaust to get the correct distance between the bottom of the floor board and the top of the heater box outlet. Also thanks to all the guys that e-mailed me with other helpful tips. I just need to find a source for the flex pipe in correct diameter to complete this project. Bob
This might be stating the obvious, but try McMaster Carr or MSC Industrial Supply. I bought some larger (3") stainless steel flex pipe earlier this summer from McMaster that is similar to the old stuff. They may have what you're looking for.