Shipping a Car to a Tour Overseas

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DaGunny on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 11:19 pm:

Looking for some advice. My wife and I are going to attend the 2008 Scotland tour. We want to take a car over. While I like my 23 Touring, I have restored the 24 chassis for my wife’s roadster. We were thinking about dropping on one of the wood hack bodies that Donnie Lang sells. My wife is from Scotland and we will be giving rides to her family. While not as comfortable and stylish as a touring car, it will carry more people. For those of you that have both a hack and a touring, is it comfortable enough for some elderly for a week? Passengers would be in their 80’s. Apologize in advance if anyone 80+ thinks they are not elderly.

We were also thinking about possibly selling the car over there to defray costs. Not sure how many Brits would be interested in a US car, but it’s something we could customize here where parts are plentiful. Have no idea about legalities either. Just a thought.

We have priced a 20 foot container and could also possibly fill with parts to help the Brits get parts. Haven’t measured anything or know if a hack would even fit in one. Anyone ever ship a hack?

Another possibility is to finish the 15 touring I will use in the cross country and take that. Hmmmm – a real international car.

Has anyone brought a car over for a tour and then back? Any problems to watch out for? Good shippers/bad shippers?

Appreciate any advice.

Thx,

Tony


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Boyd on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 11:37 pm:

Tony - I have two Hacks (17 and 23) and three tourings (14, 15 and 15 Canadian). I have driven all extensively cross-country and given many, many rides. It is my perception when dealing with the 80+ ridership, I would never put them through the experience of riding in a Hack for a long period. The seats and rides are not nearly as good as a touring car, at least with my vehicles. Ingress and egress from both styles can be a challenge for anyone. Another consideration is the weight of the vehicles - the Hacks are heavy. More than likely, you will have a car full and, again, my perception, Scotland is generally pretty hilly. So a touring with five people in it, while not nimble, will do better than a Hack. Have a good trip. I am certainly jealous. Steve Boyd


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 09:16 am:

Tony,

1. The definition of "old" is 15 years older than you are at any given time in your life. <g>

2. If you plan to sell the car, you will have to pay import duty on it. You might want to check with H.M. Customs about how they would value it and what the duty would be. You should also probably check on the regulations a buyer would be dealing with to register it. In Holland, a car must satisfy all the rules in effect in the year of importation rather than year of manufacture. The UK may be different, of course. Perhaps one of our UK forum participants would know.

Dick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By paul griesse on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 11:24 am:

Tony-----I`ve shipped Model Ts and Model As to Europe (and back) 5 times, for touring and shows. Usually as part of group (Model A Touring Club) consisting of 10 to 24 cars. We use a very good (experienced..) forwarder located in California who handles the logistics required to assemble cars from 3 or 4 shipping points to a common destination. As an individual you won`t have much problem shipping from any container port domestically. Rarely any customs problems with a round trip booking----don`t know about dutys etc. if the car stays there. A few observations: It costs LESS then most people think,you just pay for the container regardless whats in it. The container ports most anywhere are very good at managing off/on loading and customs formalities. You must be SURE your title matches a visible number on the car---a problem with Model Ts where the engine # is all there is--(check your title and put a perminent metal plate with that # ,on the firewall, if thats a problem)Allow at least 6 weeks, maybe more each way. I shipped a my `29 roadster from Toronto to Copenhagen for a tour last June. The biggest problem was crossing the border, US to Canada,took 2 days! No problems at all shipping or receiving. I say go for it and have fun! paul


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Pawelek on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 11:32 am:

Paul, Just out of curiosity how were most of the Model A's tied down inside the containers and did any come loose during the shipping either way? I suppose the person who leases/rents the container is responsible for how things are packaged/tied down inside....Michael Pawelek


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roland Palmatier -- Durham, NH on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 11:56 am:

Hi Tony,

We have touring cars and a hack. I give rides at nursing homes each year and use the hack only because it is requested as there are other touring cars in the group and they like the woodie. I do not recommend the hack, in general, for the elderly as it is hard to get in and out and the seats are not as comfortable.

As Steve said, hacks are heavy and a full load of adults (6 or more) is a lot for a normal T. Giving rides around a couple of blocks is one thing, going on a tour might be another.

The hack is also more open, but that is part of the experience. We prefer the hack for touring: the one we took on the Natchez Trace along with you.

Regards, Roland

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By paul griesse on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 11:58 am:

Michael--We usually shipped 3 cars per 40 ft container--a bit "tight", sometimes required removal of trunks or ft. bumper. Cars were chocked at the wheels, sometimes lashed to cleats in the container.This was all done by Freight Co. employees. The only problems I saw/had were "dings" on fenders which occured in loading/unloading. Inexpensive insurance is available to cover any damage. Paul


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DaGunny on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 11:59 am:

Paul - if I can ask or contact me off-line. What was the appx cost, round trip, for a container?
Any specific companies you can offer advice on?
I was playing around on the net and tried this site:
https://www.freight-calculator.com/apxocean.asp


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By paul griesse on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 12:26 pm:

Tony-----Hard to answer your question as we were using 40 ft containers, (three cars each) and paying a forwarder as well. You are definately on the right track with the freight calculator URL you displayed. Happy to refer you to our "expert" shipper/broker (in California) if that might help. Paul


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chris barker on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 02:07 pm:

Comments from an English T owner who has toured Scotland many times (though not in a T):
When the weather is good, Scotland is the finest place in the world.
When the weather is bad, Scotland is the worst place in the world.
Unless your hack has good side curtains, bring the tourer.
Model Ts tend to be higher-priced here than in the US. Good ones are between £8000 (about $15k) for a late car, and double those numbers for brass tourers. Accordingly, quite a lot of people import them after buying in the USA.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Vince Mannino on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 02:23 pm:

Just out of curiosity - what is a ballpark figure to ship a t overseas? $1k, 2k, 5k, more?

thanks

Vince


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Mullin on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 03:06 pm:

Gunny,

I used to work for the Military Traffic Management & Terminal Service in Newport News while on active duty with the Army, and discovered there are a lot of funny rules in ocean shipping.

1. Which way you go is important. Generally, anything from the USA costs more to ship than the same item to the USA. Your calculator only talks about export or import. Be sure to see what a round trip would be. Might be a better rate. This is where your freight forwarder / broker earns their money - they roam through the tariffs finding the best categories and rates.

2. How you describe the item is critical. Calling it an "antique" might be better than an "automobile". If you take the wheels off it might ship cheaper. Haven't you ever wondered why shoes come with the laces out? Knocked Down (KD) is usually less cost than fully assembled.

3. The origin and destinations make a difference, and not just because of distance. It might be more economical to ship to Ireland and then drive to Scotland. The Stranraer to Larne Ferry is a lot of fun - and Ireland is just as beautiful as Scotland.

Sounds like a terrific tour.

Tom
Detroit


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By VRay on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 03:54 pm:

A tour in Scotland? How does one find out about it? Is there room available? This sounds like it would be great. Always wanted to go there, but haven't gotten out of England just yet.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By les schubert on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 05:21 pm:

I have a question? How do you arrange insurance for driving over there? I have heard of some guys having problems arranging insurance for the London to Brighton tour. I have no personal experinece.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Reg Harris on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 05:24 pm:

If anyone is interested in the Scottish tour, drop me an email and I will send details and who to contact.
Reg.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Reg Harris on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 05:27 pm:

My email is reg-harris@ntlworld.com
Reg.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DaGunny on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 05:27 pm:

here is the flyer

application/pdfScotland Flyer
scotlandtour2008.pdf (29.9 k)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 08:18 pm:

Tony,

You might want to talk to Lee Chase in one of the southern California clubs (I'm sure someone here can provide details). Their club has done several European tours, I believe.

Dick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren Mortensen on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 11:08 am:

Gunny;

Another important item to consider: how do you look in kilts? ;-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 11:23 am:

Warren, you mean like this? <g>

http://www.blacktie-stlouis.com/premiere_events/largepics.cfm?id=51579&partyid=2 268&picorder=46


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