What year is this T in this picture?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDaniel - Indiana Trucks on Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 11:19 pm:

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Hope this works, can anyone tell what year this T is?

Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Barry W. Fowler on Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 11:38 pm:

That is a later '15' or '16. The headlight rims appear to be painted and I do not see any brass on the coach lamps. Brass was on both of these begining in 1915, but disappeared later in the year and in 1916 the only brass was the radiator and hub caps.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 06:13 am:

Bob,

I agree with Larry. If you can take a magnifying class or scan the photo and zoom in, you may be able to see additional details. Are the rims and tops of the side lamps painted black or is that tarnished brass? If brass then late 1915. Does it have a horn button mounted on the top of the steering column? If it does, you are still stuck in the late 1915 early 1916. But if it does NOT have the button (caution the windshield frame may be blocking that area) that would indicate late 1915 as all the USA 1916 came with the electric horn. If you aren’t quite sure what or where to look click on my name and send me a high resolution scan and I will gladly check for you. Below is a picture of that horn button from the May-Jun 1976 Vintage Ford (used with permission).



Barry,

Nice looking 1915 roadster on your profile page. When you get a chance please take a look at your car and see if there is a body number on the right front floor board riser or if it has a wood seat frame – sometimes they are located in front of the gas tank filler. Also is there a letter on your front seat heal panel centered left and right near the top of the panel?

Hap Tucker 1915 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and 1907 Model S Runabout


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick - (2) '26's - Bartow, FL on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 08:50 am:

Is it possible this is a current picture, made to look old using the sepia tint available on Adobe Photoshop?

The reason I ask if it might be a more current picture is because men of that era almost always wore hats when outdoors to shield their eyes, yet this driver (Unless his eyes are unusually deep setted and darkly shadowed), appears to be wearing stylishly modern sunglasses, that, I don't believe were available back in 1916.

If it is a current picture, the 1916 license plate was probably purchased by the current owner to inform the curious of his Model T's vintage. Just an observation. Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Pawelek on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 09:07 am:

Jim, Yes I believe the woman is typing on a laptop computer!!! :-)....Michael Pawelek


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Alongi on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 09:20 am:

Jim,

Actually they did have dark glasses, they were especially popular among cowboys, I once had a pair of very dark blue Pince Nez that I found at at a thrift store about 40 years ago.

Alex


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 10:13 am:

Wow, this car is almost new as it appears in the photo. It's likely a 1916 and has a 1916 plate. It looks terrible! Cars really went down hill fast back then, (pun intended).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Jeffrey Cole on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 10:20 am:

Well It is on a brick or cobblestone street.if it is recent someone did a decent job.I would say 1916.Roads were rough,dusty,and people used these old cars like tanks so it wouldnt take long for a new car to look rough.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Alongi on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 10:27 am:

From the amount of luggage & stuff in the backseat they've probably been traveling for awhile, may just need a good bath.

Alex


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Robb on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 11:01 am:

I would say 1916. It was stylish for women to wear mustaches then.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Ireland on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 11:18 am:

It may be that my sight is slipping,but, what might be the story of what appears to be dolls around and about the car. I think I see (1) at the top of the windshield passenger side, (2) at the top of the license plate, (3) at the steering column near drivers dash and (4) at passenger rear at the folded top. Are there more? If it is determined I am seeing things please tell me gently.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Pawelek on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 11:23 am:

Mack, We still have a few brick paves streets with the abandoned trolley car rails here in some of the older parts of Houston, Texas....Michael Pawelek


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 02:16 pm:

It is a 1915. The brass on the lamps has a brighter reflection that the highlights on the black paint when you put the picture into gray scale.

The male is learning to drive the Model T and the female is eating a chocolate ice cream cone. He has not yet learned to control the car and his jerky mothions have caused her to shove the ice cream cone into her face. That is not a mustach because they had gone out of style by then. It is chocolate ice cream and you can see it above and below her lips, but it could be raspberry.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick - (2) '26's - Bartow, FL on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 02:57 pm:

Frank, Sherlock Holmes would have been proud of your deductions, but what do you make of the baby doll.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Alongi on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 07:45 pm:

Blew it up, the mustache is the windshield hinge, most of the dolls are something on
the lawn across the street, one is the guys knee & he appears to be asleep, but damn, there is one on his shoulder.

Maybe they were traveling doll salespeople or maybe it's one of those psychic photos, the kind where there's nothing there until you take a photo & there's your grandmother, who's been dead for 20 years with her hand on your shoulder, The guy's maybe thinking inpure thoughts about the woman & the doll is actually his Guardian Angel whispering in his ear & the Devil has yet to arrive in a puff of smoke to whisper in the other.

Alex


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Hylen on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 07:51 pm:

I'd bet that it's a '15 on or near it's 1st birthday.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Barry W. Fowler on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 09:57 pm:

Thanks Hap. The 15 runabout is a real joy to drive. A friend of mine just recently finished restoring a very original 15 touring and we took a late season drive in Denali Park (that is where Mt Mckinley is located). The day before, most of the park road was closed due to rain and snow. It was sunny the next day and the lower road was opened, but what a mess!! Anyway, back on topic. If I remember correctly, about 10,000 electric horns were installed in early 1915 as a trial, so a horn button would not necessarily indicate a late 15. The wood on mine was rotted pretty bad and totally replaced and the heal panel was gone (I need to find one, I currently have wood there). I will check for a body number though. You might also be interested to know that I located an original 15 Coupelet. I am working on getting it home. It is very complete, but again the wood was shot. The body is in very nice condition, rust and some small rust through but very straight.
Barry


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 10:34 pm:

Barry,

Congratulations on finding a coupelet! That is great! I believe Mike Walker is also working on a 1915 or 1916 Coupelet that he acquired in the last year. If you are not in contact with him already – please let him know as I’m sure you both will be interested in the same questions etc.

I agree with your observation that having the horn button would not narrow down the date range (I tried to say that – but I may not have been very clear). But if it does NOT have the horn button – it either had the button removed or it is a 1915 or very very early 1916 as electric horns were specified for all USA 1916s (see the Oct 16, 1915 entry on Bruce’s page 557 or his encyclopedia).

Again congratulations on finding that coupelet. If you look at the thread on the “Coupelet Lamps” at http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/29/32370.html there were several owners who posted or who were mentioned.

Respectfully submitted,
Hap Tucker 1915 Model T Touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and 1907 Model S Runabout. Sumter, SC


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDaniel - Indiana Trucks on Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 11:52 pm:

Thanks for all the replies on this. I saw the picture for sale on ebay and just wanted to see what you guys would have to say about the car. I knew it would bring up some details I would have never thought to look at and the info might come in handy someday. Also it was fun just to see the response.

Bob


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