Rear axle thrust washer

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2005: Rear axle thrust washer
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By bas de voogd on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 05:07 am:

I see warnings evey now and then for babbit thrust washers in the rear axle.
How likely are they to collapse ?
I ran a T for ten years without any trouble and I am sure it wass still on its original thrust washers.
Replacements are made of what ??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas J. Miller on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 05:14 am:

Replacement washers are bronze. The original washers were babbit bearing material and they fall apart with time. If the washer on the side of the ring gear fails, you may lose the use of your brakes. Some of the axles I opened are missing the original washers and they are evident as grey mush in the oil.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marcus on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 02:36 pm:

Those thrust washer In my opinion were actually die cast white metal or pot metal..not babbitt. Babbitt rarely will disintergrate ,fracture and crumble into bits as these thrust washers seem to do in an axle. If they be of babbitt they would ware naturally ,may get some hair line cracks , but I would think would quickly compress outward, mush and expand (as a rod bearing can)when worn loose from the side play hammering an !.Where as the we know poor grade pot metal is more brittle ,pitts ,explodes,cracks, crazes ,blisters,crumbles etc.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By scott rosenthal on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 05:00 pm:

Bas:
If you elect to install modern style bronze replacement washers, inspect the new washers for sand in the lube grooves. These parts apparently start out as crude sand castings, and I recently found this debris in 2 such parts.
Scott Rosenthal


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dthomas on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 05:28 pm:

The originals were babbitt. Besides known documentation a simple weight test will comfirm that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Jeffrey Cole on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 08:57 pm:

I can say 1 thing,they are nasty to handle if they aint come apart yet.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 09:39 pm:

Bas de Voogfd:

This is a picture of a babbit washer I took out of a rear end today !!!!!

Babbit Washer


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Jeffrey Cole on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 09:44 pm:

It would be intresting to learn why babbit reacted this way in the rear end but doesnt in other applications.Is it the contents of the lubercant that causes the break down? I put new bronze 1's in the rearend on my project,had to get them machined down some to fit them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Lovejoy on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 10:33 pm:

Do the TT trucks have the same washers to look out for? I drained the oil in my rear and it felt like alot of something bad down in the bottom.It did not come out with the oil, but I could feel it with my fingers. Its working ok but I did'nt like what crude I felt in there.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 11:12 pm:

Here's one I pulled out of my rear end. Er, uh... The '25 rear end that is.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR. on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 06:49 am:

When I rebuilt a rear end a couple of years ago, the biggest piece of the babbit washer I could find was about the size of that crescent-shaped piece at the right side in Ken's pic above.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By bas de voogd on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 09:43 am:

Wel thx for all input. I just have to take it apart I guess to find out if it has been fixed during an earlier resto.

Cheers, Bas


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 10:04 am:

It does not look like a corrosion problem induced by the type of lubricant used is the cause of the problem. Rather the thrust washer wears and has play between it and the adjoining surfaces. Then the shock from sudden side impact loads can cause the part to develop crack(s) and lead to failure. These sharp loads would be akin to the thrust washer being hit by a sledge hammer when transitioning from power to braking.


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