26 colour Question

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 08:09 pm:

Is the green paint originaly used in 26 coupe like Rustolium[ hunter green]
of today or lighter?
Thank you Larry


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Perigo on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 08:17 pm:

Glad you asked, Larry! I've been looking at Rustolium hunter green for my 27 Tudor. I figure it looks a lot like the green I see on 26/27 Tudors. And since no one really knows for sure what the colors originally looked like? And since I really don't care:-) , I'm going for it!! It's a heck of a lot cheaper than the automotive paint you buy!

Just my very humble opinion!!
Mike


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Jeffrey Cole on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 08:43 pm:

CAREFULL> There is 2 shades of Rustoleum Hunter green.1 shade-part number comes from the chinas Great wallmart.The other part number comes from Lowes.Home depots rustlium is the same as wallys I think.
I used the 1 from lowes on the green wheels of my current project.Paint seems tough but like I mentioned in another thread,the black I sprayed on my TT has lost it's shine.

The green I like but couldnt find was the Fixall Forest green.Darker and richer color.But hard to find.only 1 hardware around here carrys it and they seldom have more than a pint at the time.:>0

Here is the Lowes rustoleum Huntergreen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By larry on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 09:56 pm:

I have used hunter green from Home Depot [see pic]on the body but somehow i think there is some minor diference from original
Is FIXALL as good as rustolium? ..Thank you all ..Larry
hunter green


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Jeffrey Cole on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 09:59 pm:

Well Fixall holds up well on the wooden picknic tables and benchs we use it on around here.Has a good shine to it to.I aint never sprayed it,only brushed it,so I cant say how well it holds up like that.But I do love the Forest green shade of it for sure.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Cullen on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 11:52 pm:

Wouldn't a shade such as Brewster Green be more "period correct"? For "make it all one color" paint on a T, I like the lighter Forest Green type shades too. My Zephyr is Brewster Green and under bright sunlight or flourescent lamps it really looks black anyway. I've been thinking that a very dark olive green body with black fenders and splash aprons would look pretty sharp on a driver/tour car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 11:31 am:

The correct green is called Channel Green and is not like Rust-O-leum's Hunter Green. Brewster Green is also wrong. So, what's right? Sorry guys I don't have the paint codes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Perigo on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 08:38 pm:

How about throwing some black Rustoleum in the Hunter Green Rustoleum to take some of the bright greenness out??

Mike


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By larry on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 09:14 pm:

Yes my thinking also a little black
and see


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Leon Parker on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 12:14 am:

Is this the green you are looking for? Leon


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Perigo on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 10:56 am:

Leon,

It's close, but I think that that color has too much blue in it for what I'm wanting. Actually a deep olive drab type color I think would look good.

Mike


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth Harbuck on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 11:25 am:

Mike,

BRG sounds like what you are looking for - that's British Racing Green - a "blackened" green. Looks almost black unless in sunlight, then it is obviously green.

It is too bad that BRG means a huge spectrum of colors. This is NOT BRG though many folks would say that it is. Not enough black here. My father, the owner, would say that it is...........

Sethster


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeff Humble on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 11:28 am:

Larry,
Why not go with the original color Chanel Green?26 coupe


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth H. Todd on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 11:55 am:

I remember in 1967 in Montreal, a friend had a nice baby blue '66 Mustang, then decided to have it painted British Racing Green.
Everybody said it looked like Bell Telephone green.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 12:17 pm:

I don't know if it was called "British Racing Green" or not, but when the Jaguar XKE came out, somewhere around the early '60's or so, it had what I always thought was the most beautiful green; almost as Seth says above, almost looked black unless in bright sunlight.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth Harbuck on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 12:29 pm:

Yup, that would be BRG. The covered-headlamp XKE would look just fine in chartreuse as far as I'm concerned! What a gorgeous thing.

In the early days of racing in Europe (LeMans, etc.) as I understand it, the competing countries would have their own color, the British having BRG.

Germany's color was silver and Italy's red - I think.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Barker on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 03:45 pm:

This is an interesting thread. I hope it can solve a puzzle for me. I also have a '26 Coupe in green - or gray/green. Just like Jeff Humble's, above. See my photo here. My car is clone of Jeff's, except for the wheel spokes.
The previous owner told me he found some original paint behind the terminal block, and he matched it. I don't know how exact it is, but I have seen photos of other 26 Ts in this colour. I'm biased, but I think that it really suits the car well.
Bruce's Encyclopedia lists several greens for '26-7 cars - Channel green, Commercial green, Drake green, Highland green and possibly Fawn gray. I have never known which my car's colour is.
However, I do have a genuine '26 ad, from the April 1926 Ladies' Home Journal (see photo). This says it is 'dark Channel Green'. This colour appears to be closer to the green shown in Mack's and Larry's photos above, and I wouldn't apply the adjective 'dark' to my car's colour.

I have also read that all windshield frames were black. Were the removable trim panels inside the car also black? I mean the screen pillar covers and the door-pull panels etc? Mine are all green and look fine that way but it would be nice to know.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Barker on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 03:59 pm:

..... and on the subject of British Racing Green, I can add some facts (I am British after all!)
About 100 years ago, the early motor racing folk in the Gordon Bennet Cup allocated national colours - France got Blue, Italy red and Germany got white. Britain got green and you can find early photos of British racing cars in a very pale green - similar to but paler than the lighter MG TC in Seth's photo. Rolls Royce competed in pale green in 1913-14 Alpine Trials for example. However, there was a superstition that green was unlucky, and so by the 1920s, BRG became almost black and has been dark ever since. BRM cars in the 60's were very dark; Lotus (before cigarette ad colours) and Jaguar in the 50's were less dark.

Here endeth the lesson.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth Harbuck on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 04:05 pm:

I hope I'll remember that Chris. Thanks for the lesson.

Did the British consider green unlucky because it was "Irish"?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Barker on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 04:54 pm:

I don't think the Irish connection made people think it unlucky, but there seems to be an Irish connection. Some early races were held in 1903 in Ireland (then part of the UK) because it was illegal to race on roads on the mainland. Napier painted their cars Shamrock green for the event out of respect, and they adopted it permanently.
Napier were then in favour of the later allocation of green to Britain.
Here is a link to some material on the view that green is unlucky:
http://www.snopes.com/autos/cursed/green.asp

Now, what colour are my and Jeff's cars please?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By larry on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 07:46 pm:

Yes Jeff That looks right
Where did you get that color paint?
its like an olive green
.........Larry


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By larry on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 07:58 pm:

Here is te same color -diferent light i think it is too rich i think a little gray is going to be close ill see tomorrow will post for opinions
Thank you all ..Larry color


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth Harbuck on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 09:08 pm:

Nice work Larry! Looking good!....Seth


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeff Humble on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 09:36 pm:

Larry,
Chanel Green is the Ditzler Automotive Finishes PPG brand Kewanee Green #546


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Barker on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 09:31 am:

Larry, I hope you don't mind some unsolicited advice. It looks like you're making a great job of your Coupe. I can't tell from your pics, but if you haven't already done so I strongly recommend the Front Pad for the 26 gas tank (2918) that Langs sell for $14.75. It probably doesn't do much for noise, but the moulded cardboard really seals the hole around the tank outlet.
I also bought some front pad webbing 2918A, but I can't see any use for it - or any place where it was rivetted on.
And before you fit the tank, don't forget the Cowl Lacing 4060-4 ($7.25) because you can only do this with the tank out.
I learned from an earlier thread (thank you to those who contributed) that the rivet heads go inside the car - the bent tangs fit into the groove down the centre of the lacing outside so they don't touch the metal of the hood.
Also, with the body off, you just may be able to get access to the lower 3 rivets on each side. There is no chance with the body on the car. I cheated and glued in 'headless rivets' from outside.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth H. Todd on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 11:06 am:

Chris B., the early '26s used the front pad for the gas tank (2918), the later '26s and the 27 didn't use the pad but instead used the front pad webbing (2918A).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By larry on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 10:53 pm:

Cris,. There is a leather strap glued to the metal that contacts the tank area on the tank holders
Thank you all Larry


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By larry on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 10:54 pm:

Cris,. There is a leather strap glued to the metal that contacts the tank area on the tank holders
Thank you all .... Larry


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Barker on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 01:49 pm:

I'm a little confused by both Kenneth's and Larry's replies and am now curious.
Kenneth:
My car seems to have all the right bits for its frame number which would be end December '26. It has the headlamp bar but it still has wood spoke wheels. Its original number plate is 'Cal 26'. It has a 1/2" square socket in the rear axle plug. It has the metal rear parcel shelf.
But it does not have any holes in the cowl for the 2918A webbing strap rivets, so I have guessed that the moulded card is right for it.
Larry:
It does have the original canvas webbing rivetted horizontally to the underside of the steel strips above the tank, each side of the cowl vent so, although I bought a new pair of these, I didn't replace them.
I did fit new rubber mouldings to the steel straps which go under the tank and hold it up in place.
Which of these are you referring to when you describe a leather strap on the 'tank holders'?
So, I have card against the front of the tank (radiator = front), old canvas on top and new rubber under/behind.

Of course, I could have have frame, engine, body and headlamp bar from different months in 1926/7!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By larry on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 07:41 pm:

Yes the leather is in the bottom strips that hold the tank,. On top i used old band lining cotton material i guess is somewhat like the webbing
Larry


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Micheal Crowe on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 09:45 pm:

When we did my 27 touring we went to Car Color in Wichita, Ks and got all the colors available in 26 and 27. They gave us a samples of each color to pick from. I chose vagabond green for my car. With vermillion yellow wire wheels. The color samples were the same as in 26 and 27. My .02 worth.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Perigo on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 09:21 pm:

Does anyone have a picture of a T painted Highland Green?? I wonder if that's the darker green I see on some of the car in the photo gallery section for 1927??

Thanks
Mike


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Perigo on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 09:29 pm:

I just Googled "Highland Green." That's the color of the new Mustang Bullitt. Wonder if it's the same????

Mike


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