OT--External Starter for Bi-Plane Engines

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Lambert on Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - 07:42 pm:

Y'all often have interesting threads about old mechanical devices, and I wanted to share this.

Dennis.

http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView /articleId/381/language/en-US/The-Moment--First-Hucks-Start-in-70-Years.aspx


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - 07:57 pm:

Mike Walker has built two of those in the past few years.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Lambert on Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - 08:51 pm:

A colleague of mine sent that to me because he knew of my T. His interest is vintage aircraft, but he likes old tractors and "stuff".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - 11:04 pm:

Gads! What a bunch of excellent pictures!
Fantastic.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. J. "Art" Bell on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 12:29 am:

Here is the previous link to that story as well as a very early photo of a
Huck spinning up a Breguet XIX (Hispano Suiza C), and the patent links
for the Huck starter.

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/257047/323878.html

This link takes you to the (translated) ‘Hispo’ page.

http://tinyurl.com/b28zg5y

I wonder if there is a link between Dave and Roger Hadfield of that story to
Chris Hadfield, the gentleman enjoying the view from the space station ?

Regards
Art


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Randy Driscoll on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 12:05 pm:

It's too bad Canada has such stupid gun laws. They can restore a wonderful war bird but not the original Lewis Gun attached to it. I recently saw some guns for sale that were removed from a Canadian built war bird. It was being returned to Canada from overseas and Canada would not allow it back into the country with its original guns.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob from Nova Scotia on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 02:07 pm:

Its not that the guns were not allowed, its that the person importing obviously did not have the proper permits. I highly doubt any state would allow any citizen to posess automatic machine guns without proper permits. They are, after all, restricted weapons.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Randy Driscoll on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 02:26 pm:

Canada does not allow its citizens to import or own any automatic weapons. There is no such thing as "a proper permit" in Canada. Here in the States I can buy machine guns all day long, and by the way, they are not restricted, they are controlled.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob from Nova Scotia on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 02:41 pm:

not true, I am afraid Randy. Not the easiest thing to acquire, but it can be done. Besides, if the firing pin had been removed, it is no longer a weapon. As for "stupid" gun laws, thats a matter of opinion, and having a restricted firearms license, I am inclined to disagree.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. J. "Art" Bell on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 02:41 pm:

Randy

I do not study our gun laws as carefully as you may have done,
but my understanding is that guns of that nature can be deactivated
and once certified by the proper authorities as meeting the qualifications
under that act would then be legal for display or attachment to the plane.
There may well be other ways to do this import, but for their intended use
this would have been an option.
Museums are generally under funded, and it may have been to their advantage
to sell the weapons rather than go thru a delay importing the air craft.
Restored, most of these war birds are impressive with or without weaponry.


“Deactivated firearms
12. A deactivated firearm is a device that was originally manufactured as a firearm, but has since been rendered inoperable by the removal
of parts, and by the addition of pins and welds, so that the firearm can no longer chamber or fire ammunition. However, some deactivated firearms may still contain functional parts (e.g., functional bolt, barrel, etc.). If so, such parts in themselves will be regulated as per the Criminal Code and the Customs Tariff.
13. A deactivated firearm is not subject to the registration provisions of the Firearms Act. However, a firearm that has been deactivated outside of Canada will be deemed a “controlled” firearm and will therefore require all the appropriate documentation for importation for that class of firearm until the Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) of the province confirms the deactivation where the firearm is registered.”
Note: ‘disabled’ and ‘deactivated’ are not the same thing –

I’m sure you won’t find an official with a rubber stamp, and there will
be lots of hoops to jump thru and section a b c’s to navigate as well.

And if successful, you will still not be able to strafe the runway at an air show, but it will look like you could!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Randy Driscoll on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 03:58 pm:

Rob, I don't know what a "restricted firearms license" entitles you to, but I do know that simply removing a firing pin does not deactivate a weapon. US law requires three torch cuts through the receiver of magazine fed or destruction of the right side plate on belt fed guns.
About twelve years ago Canada told its citizens who owned class III firearms they could keep them until they died, but could not transfer ownership of them. About a year later, Canadian officials changed their mind and told these same gun owners they were not going to wait for them to die before they demanded destruction of their war trophies, they wanted immediate destruction. Now that is stupid.
In the US, since the Gun Control Act of 1934, there have been only a handful of crimes committed with registered automatic weapons, and most of them were done by law enforcement officers.
How many crimes were committed in Canada with registered automatic firearms?
Also, I don't need a permit to buy or own a live machine gun, mortar, howitzer or bazooka. I just pay a $200 tax. If I had the money, I can legally own a battle ship or submarine.
Thank God I was born in the USA!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Greg Whaley, Georgetown Ontario Canada on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 05:23 pm:

"I wonder if there is a link between Dave and Roger Hadfield of that story to
Chris Hadfield, the gentleman enjoying the view from the space station ?"

A.J. - I believe that Chris is Rogers son. I see Roger at the local Steam Show every year - he's one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Randy Driscoll on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 06:19 pm:

Rob, I made an inquiry and found I was wrong in the part about no Canadian citizens may own machine guns. At this time current machine gun owners may keep them or transfer them to other current machine gun owners. When this bunch of grandfathered-in owners die off, then no Canadian citizen will be allowed to own one.


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