What is this tool?

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2013: What is this tool?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Sunday, February 17, 2013 - 06:09 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Sunday, February 17, 2013 - 06:14 pm:

Demountable rim nuts on the right, spark plug on the left.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Wolf on Sunday, February 17, 2013 - 06:29 pm:

The right end also fits the head bolts, doesn't it?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephen D Heatherly on Sunday, February 17, 2013 - 06:44 pm:

The right end is 5/8 and will fit the head bolts, rim bolts, water inlet and outlet bolts, the timer mounting bolt etc.

Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Sunday, February 17, 2013 - 06:51 pm:

True, it makes a good torque wrench for head bolts. Long enough to get them plenty tight, not so long that you snap them off.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Sunday, February 17, 2013 - 07:22 pm:

What kind of vehicle?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker on Sunday, February 17, 2013 - 07:27 pm:

Below is a photo posted by Craig Solomonson at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/179374/215192.html?1307074758 where you can easily read the number T-5893 which is the factory number. Note that both styles shown used the same factory number. The top wrench with the box end replaced the bottom one with the socket. They both accomplished the same function and were listed in the parts book by the part number 2335.



From the National Ford Tool Collectors site at: http://www.fordtoolcollector.org/gallery.asp they have the photo below showing several different views of that wrench.



Some other good tool information and additional spark plug wrench photos are located half way down the thread at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/179374/249390.html

In the price list of parts, Aug 5, 1928, the name of the part is listed as “Spark plug and cylinder head bolt wrench” part number 2335 at 35 cents each Factory Number 5893. That agrees with its use since it was introduced around 1913 and the owner’s manual described how to remove the cylinder head and scrape the carbon off the head etc. [see “Carbon Deposit” in the 1911 Owner’s Manual at: http://www.mtfca.com/books/1911Inst.htm and Answer no 30 in the 1921 Owner’s Manual at: http://www.mtfca.com/books/21manual.htm .] And of course the demountable rims were not offered by Ford until the 1919 model year. But of course it works on any 5/8 inch bolt or nut that it can reach.

Also of interest to me is when did Ford changed over from the socket style to the box end style? If I am reading it correctly the MTFCI judging standards indicate the socket style wrench was introduced with the 1913 year model. And the later box end style was introduced with the 1925 Model Ts. The photo on page 261 of Bruce McCalley's (RIP) "Model T Ford" show the Rip Van Winkle tool roll and it has the socket style spark plug wrench. From Jul 1924 (introduction of the 1925 model year) to the end of production would have been approximately 5 million wrenches. From Oct 1912 (introduction of the 1913 model year) to Jul 1924 would have been approximately 9.8 million spark plug wrenches. From my own limited experience the box end style are more plentiful than the socket style -- but from the production numbers I would think it would be the other way around. Does anyone have the information from the factory drawing #T-5893 (same as factory number) or the record of change card that indicates when the box end style was designed? Or perhaps it is only in my garage that I have about 5 of the box end ones and only one of the socket end wrenches. Perhaps the socket end tended to be left where it would catch water and rusted out quicker? Anyway – just wondering.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Sunday, February 17, 2013 - 08:12 pm:

Herb, here's a lonnnggggg thread about tools. It includes your #2335 wrench.

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/179374/249390.html


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Sunday, February 17, 2013 - 08:29 pm:

Well I've been a funnin ya.
Here is another picture of the wrench.

Never saw one like this before.

Herb


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker on Sunday, February 17, 2013 - 08:41 pm:

Herb,

Yes, I think you got me on that one! Please confirm that it says Overland? In this case will it fit the T plugs and T head bolts also?And if it says Overland, then some Overland owner might be looking for a wrench like that.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Sunday, February 17, 2013 - 08:49 pm:

It says Overland.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Sunday, February 17, 2013 - 09:13 pm:

Ford is the most common, but lots of car companies had their names on tools.










Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Willie K Cordes on Sunday, February 17, 2013 - 10:22 pm:

Herb, that wrench appears in antique stores and swap meets all the time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Sunday, February 17, 2013 - 10:38 pm:

I've never seen one marked Overland before.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Sunday, February 17, 2013 - 10:46 pm:

Herb's right. The Ford wrench is very common, but Overland, not so much.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Monday, February 18, 2013 - 03:44 am:

WOW! Overland. I know a few people that might like that one. I guess that I need to look closer at the bunch that I have. Maybe one of my friends could get lucky?
If my box full of old wrenches is any indication the main reason you don't see as many of the earlier "socket" type Ford wrench is that they did not hold up as well. More than a third of the socket type I have are badly worn and at least two of them have split the socket. I have about as many T wrenches of the later "box" end type, as well as about as many model A era similar wrenches, none of which are worn badly or split. A few have been ground or cut for special uses, but still not broken.
I want to put together four good tool kits for my four major model Ts and project Ts. I am not being fussy about the kits being totally correct and perfect. But with about a dozen "socket" end wrenches to choose from, I didn't end up with many good extras. The '24 coupe will get a later style (I thought). From what Hap says, maybe it should also have the earlier one. I am planning to use a late jack and a late monkey wrench because I have them and the coupe is the newest T I have.
Thanks all!
Good one, Herb!
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Monday, February 18, 2013 - 09:34 am:

look closely at the left end. It does not have a wrench end to remove spark plugs. It might have been used as a tire iron, or a pry bar.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Monday, February 18, 2013 - 09:36 am:

Well after I pushed the post button, I looked again and noticed the wrench was turned in such a way in the picture that the spark plug end does not show. it is a head and spark plug wrench.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Monday, February 18, 2013 - 09:18 pm:

I've seen that same wrench with Craftsman on it.


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