The project continue!
For the people who want to see the beginning :
I found wheels and a front axle.
I began to take apart my engine. The rods were drilled... The block was weld, it is not in a good state. But I have to clean parts to measure and see.
beautiful. Keep us posted, I'm intrigued with your find. And jealous!!!!
Thank you for the update. Good luck and keep us posted. Great project,
Are the con rods made that way by ford or have they been lightened?
Yes. Thank you for the update. What I see looks very workable. Congratulations again!
Great luck finding an original axle & spindles
Very interesting project to follow
That engine have been used for some speedster as the rods are ligthened and there are brackets for what I think have been a magneto ignition of some kind.
In fact, The rear block were weld. I will put a picture. I think a magnet go away and broke the rear of the block. So they put a magneto to avoid an other problem. For the rods, I think it is not original.
The early rods were heavy, so any lightening was probably good for the crank. The early pistons looks heavy too, would be interesting to learn how much one weighs? The late lightest type of Model T cast iron piston weighs about 1.1 kg (2 lb, 7 oz) each with wrist pin and rings.
Brice, here are pictures of a water pump rod and a picture of a production 1909 rod. The earlier one has the step at the mating surface between the rod and the cap. Those holes were put in by a former owner.
Are there any numbers indicating a date on the end of the crankshaft?
I've not seen a date on a crankshaft.
The date is stamped on the transmission shaft. Like this:
This transmission shaft was machined on 10/28/08. The transmission was assembled on 11/10/08
I knew there was one some where.
I am not sure what's wrong with the block. Cast iron can be readily welded by someone who knows how to do it and can preheat the block uniformly and cool slowly. Correctly done the weld is cast iron as original and readily machined. Someone in France can surely do this and an early block like you have is certainly worth the effort if its needed.
Ted I agree. A few years ago I my speedster eat a valve with disastrous results to the Rajo cylinder head. I blew a hole in the head big enough to stick my hand in and touch the piston. Anyway I did some research and was able to find a welder to not only weld it but to make repair completely undetectable. I would have never thought this possible. Now after driving it a thousand miles. I know it was a great repair.
The rear main on my Aug 09 open-valve block broke away when the crank snapped. I had it cold metal-stitched. The co. doing the repair said the 09-10 blocks are more brittle than 11-on and it would have been a very tricky weld. So far it has held together well.
Hi Brice ....
Je vois que tu avances. Il semble que tu as déjà trouvé beaucoup de pièces.
Que te manque-t-il encore ?
Juste pour info, as-tu vue cette annonce sur E-bay ?
I see that you advance. It seems that you have already found many parts.
What you lack there yet?
Just for info, have you seen this ad on E-bay?
Thanks for the update, looks like you are finding some great early parts. I know hard it is to find early parts as I am restoring an early 09 myself.
Keep up the good work, Steve
@ Olivier : je n'avais pas encore vu cette annonce!
ENcore un beau projet en perspective!
IL vend le lot seulement...
I did'nt see this add before. Again a good project to begin! He sells only all parts together...
I will have a look to my rods and on the number on my transmission.
I have the step on my rods.
I have just one number on my transmission
The numbers stamped is :
1 08 09
So I think it was assembled the 01/08/1909
I found my direction parts and Brasswork made for me a brand new radiator. It is a good replica made with the help of a specialist. (Kim, Thank you for your knowledge and help).
Wow, nice! Can't wait to see it go together.
The body looks a little "Boxy" even for an 09.
I did not think Ford script would appear on the radiator shell (the brass is all decorative on these radiators) until much later in production. A water pump equipped car should have the Ford script on the radiator core only I believe.
Nice! Nice! Nice!
Thank you, Brice, for another update. I do hope you are coming along okay repairing the engine block.
Royce, I have see original radiators both ways, 314 has its original radiator and shell and has a ford script stamped in the shell.
NRS radiators had Ford script by 1907, as did the Model K. The attached photos are of our original radiators on the 1907 K and N. the N radiator was replaced at some point early in the Ns life, as it is the 07/08 NRS style. The N radiator is a Briscoe and I don't recall the maker of the K radiator.
I have a very early, (1906), N brass shell which was removable from the radiator itself. It has a Ford script. (FWIW)
The Briscoe company made radiators,gas tanks & all kinds of metal products in Detroit.Later on they were involved with Maxwell and others.In about 1915 they started making Briscoe automobiles until 1921.From 1922 to 23 it was the Earl.I own a 1917 Briscoe model B424 touring car,it cost $820 new here in Canada.The USA cars were built in Jackson Michigan & the Canadian cars were built in Brockville,Ontario