OT-Those F****** New 5 Gallon Plastic Gasoline Containers...

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Pawelek Brookshire, Texas on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 09:59 am:

I won't go into the stupidity of the air bleed valves on the new plastic gasoline containers required by the Government so we do not pollute the Universe with fumes.
Anyone who has one knows it's a pain in the a** and takes 15 minutes to drain 5 gallons from the cannisters.
Last year I replaced all my very old/beat up/dented gasoline containers with a set of "the newer/safer/better for the environment" type and they are all splitting at the top at the upper handle where the seam sits the lenght of the handle.
What gives here?
Less than a year old and these containers self exhaust into the atmosphere and by pass the Government approved vent system.
When I tilt a semi-full one to fill the Model T gasoline runs out the seam in the handle.
What a piece of cr*p!
Rant over....maybe


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 10:17 am:

Well,I got aggitated with the older plastic cans.
I picked up 2 or 3 of the metal cans from days of old.I use a 1 gallon can for my chainsaw,has a tiny spout,no funnel needed.
The plastic can I bought with the strange handle on it for deisel,has splashed me in the face several times and spills fuel everywhere.
I just started unscrewing the thing and useing a big funnel.Less trouble.
What really aggrovates me is you cant get new nozzles and such for the older cans.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 10:20 am:

I think I saw some old fashioned 1 gallon gas cans at Orchard Supply. The only difference is the handle is now plastic instead of wood.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Manuel, Lafayette, La. on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 10:41 am:

I see I'm not the only one aggravated about this. I'm thinking of finding some of the old "jerry" cans with the long flex spout. Any one have good reports on those?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 10:56 am:

Its silly to try to use the new 'epa mandated" gas cans. You can still find quality vintage gas cans at swapmeets or under "vintage gas cans" search on ebay.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Grady L Puryear on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 11:08 am:

Mr. Manuel, I have nothing but good things to say about the old GI "Jerry" cans, I have been using them ever since the War, including some of the rare ones that were used for water or food. The name "Jerry" came from the fact that they were first made and used by the Germans, and the "Jerry" was a term used for the Germans in WW1. You will notice the way the handles are configured, with three handles/bars, that is for ease of carry by one person, center bar, and carry by two, each person can use the bar on their side, they thought of everything. I saw them stacked by the tens of thousands, some Depots were German, some were American. The square configuration made stacking them in rows and piles so much easier than trying to stack a round one. Most of those fuel storage depots were simply set afire and destroyed. I haven't seen any for sale in a very long time (the old original GI ones) have seen plenty of replicas, not very good, and they are made overseas anyway. If you can find one of the originals, hang onto it, I am down to just a few, have given most of them away.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Coiro on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 11:11 am:

I've heard that for reasons regarding static electricity, metal cans are the way to go. Unfortunately, they're much more expensive than the plastic type.

I keep two 5-gallon plastic gas cans that I hope never to use. I imagine a situation where my Flivver's gas tank starts leaking and deep snow makes it impossible to roll it out of my attached garage. In that case, the empty gas cans and nearby siphon would become worth their weight in gold.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Pawelek Brookshire, Texas on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 11:21 am:

What really hacks me off is that they are less than a year old and have NEVER been out in the sunlight. They now self vent from the split in the handles all by themselves.......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chuck Hoffman - Gold Country of Calif. on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 12:33 pm:

As Rush Limbaugh would say, it's all symbolism over substance. None of this crap works, but it gives the idiots the impression that they are doing something to justify their existence.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew David Maiers on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 12:37 pm:

has anybody had the flexy part fall off in their tank?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 12:50 pm:

Chuck,Yes and they can also feel all so warm and fuzzy good about helping poor defenseless Mother Earth beat down evil Humanity. In their book Earth was made in Gods imagine not Man.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Pawelek Brookshire, Texas on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 01:03 pm:

There is a great fix on You Tube. I tried to post the address but this site, for some reason, does not want to use the link. On You Tube look up...

How to Fix a New Gas Can
by
DoubleSurvivalists
It looks like a great, yet probably illegal, fix. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 01:43 pm:

Plastic gets brittle and breaks, so I use these. I don't think I've ever paid as much as $5 for one. This is another reason I love auctions.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By keith g barrier on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 02:32 pm:

Those new cans are an easy fix, clip the lid locking mechanisim off, pull the safety lock out with pliers, drill a 1/2 hole on the back by the handle and pop in a tubeless valve stem with the core removed(fish it through with a bent wire) there you have it. Still has a good cut off valve, with a vent through the valve stem. Supprised you guys havent figured it out already!Have fun, KB


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 02:51 pm:

Steve, Looks like your gearing up for a batch of moonshine. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Pawelek Brookshire, Texas on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 02:54 pm:

Keith, The You Tube film I listed above shows the exact steps as you describe. I also looked on Ebay and you can get 25 tubeless valve stems of the correct diameter for $8 delivered. There may be better deals but I did not have time to look. BTW-The tubeless valve stems on ebay are cheaper than the sets of plastic vent covers also sold for this purpose.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By keith g barrier on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 03:10 pm:

I fixed one that way a few years back when they first came out. Would never have bought one, but had an emergency situation and being the tightwad cheapskate I am I would'nt throw it out. KB


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 04:39 pm:

I could rant for an hour! It would all boil down to "you guys are great"! Our government@#!&%


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Young in Mays Landing, NJ on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 06:23 pm:

I grab the "good" older plastic gas cans at yard sales and estate sales whenever I see them. The new ones are just redickerus!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White - Sheridan, MI on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 06:46 pm:

Same as Dave. I have some of the 5-6 gallon red plastic cans I've had for over ten years and they are still in pretty good shape. Only problem is with leaks where nozzle screws onto the can. Also got some from my dad when he passed so I'm set for life. Bought a new one and it didn't take me long to rip out the guts of the nozzle so I could get a decent flow rate. Still didn't like it and don't use it anyway.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 07:31 pm:

Matthew: Yep, I've had the flexy part come off and fall down the filler pipe when putting diesel fuel into my boat tank. Only way to get it out was wait for the fuel tank to get down real low, pull the tank so I could unhook the 2" filler hose to get the flex spout. What a job. These cans are a piece of crap, just like one of the other guys above said. But we're stuck with 'em. They're also impossible to hold by yourself and keep the "safety lock" open while trying to balance and fill. Well, almost impossible. Makes my bad back hurt fighting with them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chad Marchees on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 07:48 pm:

My 5 gallon one won't hold 5 gallons any more. Because its sealed and it had only a little fuel in it, it sucked the sides in. I figured no big deal it would come out when I filled it. Nope.

I'll wait till summer time and fill it and put it out in the sun. Then i'll do that valve stem trick as I bought the valve stems already off ebay already for several modern wheels I had.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan B on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 09:10 pm:

Yep, my enviro-friendly can split at the same place. Bought a new Eagle safety can. More expensive, but it'll last a lifetime. Plus it's MADE IN THE USA.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred L. Olenberger on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 09:33 pm:

The new gas can with the modern design modification is another example of a committee designing a "better" product by people who have never used it. It is my understanding they all quit and took positions in Washington D.C. We should be fine now......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 09:43 pm:

Ronald Reagan had it right when he said:

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 10:04 pm:

Steve's got the best cans and I remember using them lots back on the farm. Only thing other than a dent would be if it gets rusty on the bottom.

If it makes anyone feel any better just try pouring out of one of those BoyCo cans. I did get a fix finally for mine if I have an emergency. It's very hard to find a gasket material that is happy with our new gas.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Zibell on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 10:26 pm:

For the illustrated version of how to modify the new plastic gas cans the way Keith mentioned, take a look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0lcnwdIYEfI


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 11:10 pm:

Yea,I forgot to add the flex tube from my new tractor fuel can is in the tank.Didnt have the tractor 2 days and that happened.aint hurt nothing yet.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Clipner-Los Angeles on Sunday, March 03, 2013 - 06:17 pm:

Here's a UTube on imitation NATO cans from Cheaper Then Dirt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9X4ZIuFdkw


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Sunday, March 03, 2013 - 07:05 pm:

Chad,

When the can is empty take an air hose attach the blow gun attachment and insert it into the can holding your hand over the opening and fill it with air to expand the can to the proper size again. I've done it and it will "pop" the sides back out. It will scare the h*ll out of you even when your expecting it. I have also done it with metal cans.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike taylor on Monday, March 04, 2013 - 06:27 am:

the real tragedy is along the shore lines where these are being sold. as a marina manager i have seen dozens of times where boaters trying to fill their boats with ethanol(good for the service repair) spill and or drop their gas cans in the water trying to open the valve or become fatigued. these cans are dangerous.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Monday, March 04, 2013 - 09:14 am:


I bought a couple more at the auction yesterday. 50 each.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Monday, March 04, 2013 - 10:00 am:

Here in N.J. attendants pump the gas. I don't think they'll fill one of Steve's metal cans. In fact, if we weren't so close to Maguire AFB I don't think they'd fill a gerry can.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Monday, March 04, 2013 - 10:04 am:

New Jersey and Oregon, I believe. In 48 other states you're on your own.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Pawelek Brookshire, Texas on Monday, March 04, 2013 - 10:04 am:

Charlie, Does N.J. still have elevator operators also? :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Monday, March 04, 2013 - 10:08 am:

I was an elevator operator once, but they fired me. I couldn't learn the route.... :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Henrichs on Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - 03:51 am:

Cheer up Dick,

All jobs have their ups and downs. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Miller, Mostly in Dearborn on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 09:55 am:

I found this at Rural King last week and have been busy repairing my gas cans with this kit by using a 1/2" drill for the vent. The first one I repaired was a cast off my son found on the side of the road that had a broken spout.

They have a large diameter long spout specifically designed for Model T. They might have said Jet Ski but they really meant Model T.

http://ezpourspout.com/wp/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 10:49 am:

Why fill a T from a gas can, to avoid road taxes? I hardly ever run out since I installed a gauge.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Henry Petrino in Modesto, CA on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 10:55 am:

Ralph,

What's that other thing next to the gas gauge, an air pressure gauge?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Miller, Mostly in Dearborn on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 10:59 am:

Ralph,

Several of my cars are stored dry without fuel and battery. It's difficult for me to push them a half mile in traffic when I want to drive them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Derek Kiefer - Mantorville, MN on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 11:40 am:

The T gas tank is too easy to empty into a gas can when you really need gas for something else and don't want to make a special trip into town. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Burton on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 11:48 am:

I have to agree with Derek, getting gas out of the T for other uses is the way to go.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 01:08 pm:

Well,for whatever reason the tiny cap for the spout of my 1 gallon can is lost,so I cant use it right now.
Does anyone have 1? I would be tickled pink to pay a little something for it and shipping to get back to useing my can.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Miller, Mostly in Dearborn on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 02:07 pm:

http://www.containerandpackaging.com

You can buy one cap but the shipping cost will be high. I try to find bottles with caps that are the same size.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 02:08 pm:

Sorry for the bad pic, Henry. Yes, that is a brass tire gauge, probably intended for a truck.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Henry Petrino in Modesto, CA on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 03:25 pm:

Well Ralph, your T is a truck, isn't it? :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 04:44 pm:

No, Henry, where I grew up in Oregon, a pickup was not a truck. A truck did not have a pickup box...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 11:31 pm:

A pickup is not A TRUCK.
WHEN PEOPLE TELL ME THEY WANT THEIR TRUCK WORKED ON I TELL THEM I WORK ON CARS AND PICKUPS BUT NOT TRUCKS. sorry, caps locked again.

My F-1 is NOT a truck, it is a pickup.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Thursday, July 25, 2013 - 12:01 am:

Thanks, Aaron.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Thursday, July 25, 2013 - 12:06 am:

If pickups aint trucks then why do I have to pay extra for a tag because of the weight limits on "trucks"? :>)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Thursday, July 25, 2013 - 09:21 am:

Hey Aaron, that reminds me of a time when a nephew was visiting from Texas. Father wanted his hot shot, and told the nephew it was behind the seat of the little truck, we had a Chevy Luv pickup, a one ton with a stock rack and a 10 wheel Mack parked out front. The nephew was not coming back so I went out to see what was going on, he was digging behind the seat of the Chevy Luv, I told him it was in the little truck. He said "this is the little truck" I told him that the Luv was a little pickup, the one ton was the little truck. He said that it was not, it was a big truck, I asked him what the Mack was and he said it was a really big truck. Funny how things are different in different regions.
In Idaho, a pickup is registered as an automobile unless it is used to pull a heavy commercial trailer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Kriegel on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 10:31 am:

Do not buy the "new" jerry cans from cheaper than dirt and other importers. The paint flakes off inside and out and the metal is way too thin. The best advice is what many do. I buy old real US fuel jerry cans at auction some for 5 some as high as 25 dollars but they last and are safe


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