I need to hook up my timer to the steering wheel lever. I also need to order every thing that the rod connects to. 1,What holds the timer cover on the engine? 2,What holds the timer rod on at the timer? 3, How does the rod get routed to the timer in front of the engine? 4, How does it connect to the steering wheel lever next to the steering wheel shaft? I can't seem to find any thing showing the hookup of the rod. I had my son take a video of one running at Bakersfield. He only got the driver side with the open hood view. I wanted him to get under the engine and look at it from that point of view. So now I'm looking for some help here.
Look at this thread:
Including this photo:
If if you need more photos, you can find dozens at:
Also don't forget that you will likely have to bend the rod to get the timing correct. There are photos of how to do that also in the link above.
Timer rod routing should be such that the rod passes under the steel radiator tube and then on to the timer. If your rod passes under the lower hose that is connected to that tube then that hose is too long and you need to trim it back and re-clamp. The lower hoses are typically supplied as the same length as the upper hose and that can cause issues with the timer rod. There is plenty of hose between the 2 hoses if properly positioned after the lower hose is trimmed. If you elect to bend the rod rather than trim back the hose then you are off and running in the wrong direction. Unfortunately someone before you may have already bent the rod there and if that is the case you may be better off to start with a new rod. If made correctly to factory bends then to set the timing you should only bend the rod by opening or closing the "upper arc" portion of the rod in that large arc that is above the timer and on the timer end of the rod. If you bend it someplace else you will have issues with it hitting things during its travel.
I found a timer rod, but its not like the one with the big sweeping top bend in it(as above)Its more like a straight rod with a slight bend in it.
From what I have gathered from all the links and info I think now I can put it together. Thanks for all the reply's !!
Larry -- Your description of a straight rod with a slight bend in it sounds more like a carburetor rod rather than one for the timer.
That sounds like a throttle rod. The timing rod has the sweep like shown.
Here is a photo of one like I have.
If this is not a Timer Rod than I need to order one
That is definitely a throttle rod in the picture you posted
Well I'm going to have to dig out my worn Catalogs again and get one rod ordered, Rod bending tools, Timer alignment tool. Can anyone else think of that I may need?
I'm not sure but think the throttle rod and timing rod are the same diameter. You may want to check for 'slop' in the lever arm hole at the bottom of the spark shaft. Sometimes these holes are really wallowed out and going through this much, might as well have it right.
That said, a new timer rod, two cotter pins and some idea for initial bend should be all you need.
I am not a fan of using some mechanical 'stick' to determine where '0' is on the timer. Do a search, I've written up the procedure before. It basically uses the engine itself to find the best '0' for the timer (and prevent any kick-back), taping the spark advance in the 'up' position and then custom bending the control until the new rod matches those two points yet still has enough arch to allow full movement without bumping into something. Do also pay attention to how the timer wires lace over or under the timer holder clip, it makes a huge difference.
Larry -- The timer alignment gauge works only with the original Ford timer. If you have some other type of timer, such as a New Day or Anderson, the setting will be different. As George suggests, setting it up to fire a few degrees past TDC is the best method, and it will work with any timer type.
You can bend the timer rod by hand and avoid the cost of the bending tools. Get your timer set to fire at the right time (search the forum for info on that), measure the center-to-center distance between the timer hole and the hole in the rod on the steering column, and bend the rod to that length. Bend it at the big arc, as mentioned above.
I have to install new wires on the timer anyway and will watch for any binding on the Timer. That was my next step after getting the linkage hooked up. Since I don't have the Timer Rod and cotter pins or the wiring harness I'll concentrate on finding TDC for now. I really need to find out what kind of timer I have. My Part List keeps getting longer and longer. My next question is: are there any Model T part houses near San Antonio TX ??? I'll be there next week.
Thanks Jim, John, Mike, Mark, Greg, and George for all the help you all have been a big help in getting me through this part of my 26TT.
Larry -- Texas T Parts is near College Station.
If you're going to order a timer alignment tool, don't waste your money on the crap ones - stick to buying the reproduction KRW tool.
In addition to trimming back the lower radiator hose, there's one more thing to be careful of when routing the timer rod - it passes very close to my external oil line, I had to bend it very carefully and check it through its full travel to keep it from acting like a saw on the external oil line.
Yes Mark that is very important. What one really should do is route the timer rod first and make sure of the car timing and advance. Then route the oil line since it can usually be bent more easily than the timer rod and you only have to worry about clearance where if you bend the timer rod to gain clearance from the oil line you then have to time the motor again and this can be a back and forth project.
"Can anyone else think of that I may need?"
A Model T Ford Service Manual is your best friend.