My other swap meet find. Does any one else have the same kind?
Nice find. After you remove the inspection plates on the side, please let us know if the cut outs look professionally finished or if they used the plates to make it look good.
Hap l9l5 cut off
Nice find Les. Have you a project for it?
The plates are "hand holes" for rod adjusting. I know the picture is not great. It has a cast aluminum pan and cover on the back of the block. A plunger water pump driven be a eccentric on the crankshaft and then the water passes from the back of the head into the water cooled exhaust manifold. Ultimately the cooling water empties into the exhaust pipe just by the big flange. It has cranking connection at the flywheel for starting it. The big heavy flywheel makes sense when you consider that this particular version has no transmission. You want a really slow idle for maneuvering at the dock!!
No I don't!! But it was too neat to pass up. I walked by it 3 times hoping someone else would buy it. NO LUCK there!!
Les, the Roberts boat factory was here in Ohio ,It first started in Bascom Ohio then moved to Port Clinton, closer to the Lake Erie, they made some really neat and large boats.
Here's more than you need to know, Les:
My oldest bro. is in Anacortes.
Is this one also a two-cycle, and reversible?
This one is a "factory converted" model T Ford engine, so, no it is not two-cycle or reversible!!. I have a "Atlantic" two cylinder two cycle reversible with ignitors (8 HP)
I had looked at the previous postings and they did not appear to include a Roberts converted T engine like this one.
Ralph, Thanks for the link.
Joe, that was the Matthews boat company, in Bascom, later Port Clinton, Ohio. We watched the historic factory go up in flames across the river from our condo in 1997. a bunch of kids were charged with arson. sorry for the drift.
Interesting to see this engine with my name on it, had not heard of it before. I Would be interested in seeing more pictures? Richard Roberts
Duh, my friend I see every Tues morning at Old Bold Pilots, is Lloyd Roberts, originally of Mankato, Minn. I'll show him pix on Tues.
Some pictures during tear down
What sort of ignition used this piece on the camshaft? The engine did not have a Ford flywheel mag or generator (although it is a '19-'25 block.
The "A" carb adapter looks homemade so I will guess it was added later
crankcase ventilation added to the valve cover. It has a one piece valve cover so I guess '24-'25? block
Some repair needed here. Fortunately it is aluminum and essentially straight pieces AND you really can't see it when it is installed in a boat
Check out the gear driven oil pump!!!
Interesting how they shortened the rear main cap to allow the flywheel end packing to run right on the crankshaft. I will have to examine where the trust control is done. I am guessing right now on the centre main.
As far as rebuild it will need at least #3 cylinder sleeved. There are lots of shim in all the rods and the crank area is not actually rusty I don't think. Tomorrow I will remove the crank and maybe the rods and pistons etc.
Neat stuff Les, Thanks for sharing!
I have never seen main bearing bolts like these before. They are studs (of course with nuts at both ends). I got the crank and pistons out today. Shims in all bearings (more in some than others). About .001" wear on a standard crank. So I may get away with polishing the crank and refitting. The block is standard as well. The pitting in #3 cylinder is not as bad as I had feared. I will test bore at .020" (may get lucky there). It looks like at least a exhaust seat on #3 cylinder (and of course new valves). The cam shaft is pitted too much to reuse.
Quite a bit of green paint remaining, so I will have a good sample there.
Les, you surely remember visiting Les Shelley at Action Gear and Broaching a couple of years ago. He has a smaller oil pump that came from the same location, or maybe under the crank. There may be more around, but they're sure not discussed on this Forum.
Yes now that you mention it I do remember him and the pump. This is a small pump that probably runs crank speed. I suppose his original may have been from a marine conversion as well.
Anyone have an extra pan for one of these engines?
As mine needs some considerable repair, if there was sufficient interest a pattern could be made and a few could be cast. It is aluminum.
Do you have the rest of the parts for a boat or are you thinking speedster? I have a casting to convert the back of a T block to late transmission (automatic or 4 or 5 speed) (and the pattern to make more).
Les I need it for an T engine that will not have a transmission. No Roberts boat engine, at least not yet.
Saw this on eBay and thought it might be of interest for the boat engine.