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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By lorenzo leon on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 01:08 pm:

Im not using the magneto ring on my engine and i see that that helps to keep the felt from falling inward ,Q. can i set up some washers inside to keep the felt from falling inward as in pic ?? or??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 01:19 pm:

When using the felt seal it is best to attach the seal to the engine block with contact cement. I us 3M Fastbond 10 but any good yellow contact cement will do. Same for all the paper gaskets, this makes assembly very easy.

Then apply a coating of RTV on top of the felt and where the felt seal meets the paper gaskets.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Bamford, Edmonton AB on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 02:49 pm:

...it is best to attach the seal to the engine block with contact cement. I us 3M Fastbond 10 but any good yellow contact cement will do. Same for all the paper gaskets...

First time I've heard this tip. I do something similar but not as quick or easy. Thanks!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Gould on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 03:07 pm:

I favor using sealant on one side only, grease on the other. I recall an aluminum cover I removed for a fellow where the felt had been impregnated with RTV or so it appeared. It was HARD to remove. I had to use a crowbar thru the hole with the ball cap removed. I was afraid I would break the cover. It finally came off but I swore I'd never use sealant on both sides of the felt.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 03:32 pm:

I use a thick cork gasket instead of the felt. No leaks, easy to do.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 03:33 pm:

I use felt and Permatex #2.
-Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 04:25 pm:

Lorenzo,

That should be fine as long as the washers don't interfere with the hog's head and you put some kind of thread locker on the bolts holding them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 04:42 pm:

I do the 'old school' way, soak the felt gasket in varnish, squeeze out excess, let it get tacky dry. Lay in on, it will stick in place. Before hand fit the paper gaskets so they don't overlap.

Then a dab of silicone sealer at the joint of the cover and block to seal that special point! Works for me. No dripping leaks.






Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 05:00 pm:

Lorenzo,

Something else to consider. Even though your mag ring is gone, be sure to still put bolts in the mag ring mounting holes. Many times, those bolt holes are drilled deep enough to just poke through to the outside of the engine block. If so, they will leak out a ton of oil unless somehow plugged. I guess you could also use sealant but, in case you want a mag ring in the future, the removing a few bolts would be better than digging out sealant.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 05:42 pm:

Maybe I'm not understanding what your trying to accomplish by removing the mag ring but what will you sub to help splash oil around? Will that not change the balance of rotation?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By lorenzo leon on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 06:57 pm:

with out The mag ring .think will alter the oil flow? ..I will use 1/2 or all magnets ,not sure yet . and run coils with 12 volts and high flow outside oil line the car is a coupe 26
[change the balance of rotation]?please elavorate,Dennis


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 07:04 pm:

Lorenzo,

Run all magnets or no magnets. If you remove all the magnets then buy a set of the high quality oil paddles sold by the suppliers. An outside oil line will do nothing if there isn't some way to fling oil internally.

I wouldn't worry about balance issues due to any of this.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By lorenzo leon on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 09:31 pm:

Gerry, I read a lot on the forum and there are ones that dont use them,others that will only run with magnets.there are some that took them all off and had to put them back as the car felt odd without them .Im using aluminum pistons the less weight of the pistons less weight on the flywheel i think My car is somewhat heavy [coupe]and i think i need some mass on the flywheel to get it running faster from stand still yet hove some better top speeds,therby i figure 1/2 will cover both and plenty oil splash


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 09:54 pm:

Lorenzo,

The magnet retaining plates are made to straddle the ends of two magnets, with the brass screw in the middle. If you're missing the neighboring magnet then the retaining plate will not work correctly. In other words, it will not adequately clamp the magnet end. It's really not a good idea.

As to added flywheel mass giving you better acceleration, consider that you also have to accelerate that added mass. Also, neither a heavy nor a light flywheel will affect your top speed. However, launching an unpaired magnet off the flywheel will have an affect on it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 10:29 pm:

Gotta second Paul Mikeska's suggestion about using a cork gasket.

I just regasketed my hogshead. I cut the cork gasket 1/2" wide and curled the strip into a circle. That gave it the perfect "set" to match the curve on the front of the transmission.

Permatex ultrablack set it in position on the transmission, so no worries about it moving around. Another bead of ultrablack on the matching surface of the hogshead and you've got a perfect seal.

IMHO if you use the felt seal, (especially without rubbing in some sort of sealant) you will still have puddles of oil on your garage floor. The good news is that it will be well strained oil after its passed through the felt.

Cheers


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 10:31 pm:

PS skip the washers ... can you imagine one of those bouncing around in the transmission ?


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