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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 07:14 pm:

I'm putting a few things together, and can't seem to come up with a year and model that Ford first built a 400 cu in (or bigger) V8 (mid 60s?).

Thanks for the help,

Rob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 07:19 pm:

Didn't they have a big inch motor late in ww2? There's a big ford v8 in a Sherman tank in a museum near here.
Mike Sa


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Les Schubert on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 07:25 pm:

I know Edsel had one by '58, also Lincoln and Mercury


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 07:52 pm:

The 1958 Thunderbird, Mercury and Lincoln could have been ordered with an optional 430 cubic inch V8. The engine series was known as the "MEL" series of engine because it was originally intended to be used only in the Mercury, Edsel and Lincoln product lines.

The 1958 Edsel could have been ordered with an exclusive 410 cubic inch engine, again from the MEL design group.

So there were two 400 + cubic inch engines that year.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Les Burg on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 07:52 pm:

Rob,
Here is everything you want to know about Ford motors and Mile is right, 1100CI V8 in the Sherman tank, it is a GAA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_GAA_engine

I hope this helps........les


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Les Burg on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 07:55 pm:

Rob, I missed the link.
http://www.wrljet.com/fordv8/specs.html
Les


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 08:43 pm:

Excuse me, but shouldn't this subject be taken up on the Ford V8 forum.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 09:08 pm:

We had one of those huge tank engines in a water taxi that we ran to Catalina. The "Pacifico" used to have two WWI Liberty V12's in it when it ran booze during prohibition but that single engine got us to the island in 50 minutes and that's over 30 miles an hour. Lots of horsepower but more importantly literally tons of torque and that is what turns the prop. We ran it at 2650. The picture below is of a rum runner, Our boat had the aft cabin removed and hoops with canvas over them like a conestoga wagon.





boat


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 09:20 pm:

Ted,

I'm not a member of the V8 club. I am a member of MTFCA, MTFCI, Earlly Ford Registry, AACA and HCCA (suppose I missed a few).

Anyway, it was marked OT, so, sorry if I "ruffled" any feathers.

Otherwise, thanks guys. I was/am trying to find when Ford placed a 400 plus cubic engine in a production automobile (I'll bet you can guess which Ford was first to have one, but that's another OT discussion).

Rob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Spaziano, Bellflower, CA. on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 09:28 pm:

I have read that the dual overhead cam, aluminum V-8 that Ford produced was actually developed in the late 30's for a Lincoln design proposal that was aimed at putting Lincoln back in the high-end luxury car market attempting to replace the Lincoln Model K. Easy Rob, I said LINCOLN Model K. :^)

When the 0-5-L (0 for target model year '40, 5 for 5th in the design series, and "L" for Lincoln product line) program was scrapped, Ford submitted the engine design for aircraft use.

The power-to-weight-ratio was so bad, it was deemed unacceptable and wound up replacing the very problematic horizontal radial engines that were being used in the Sherman tanks until that time.

The only other thing that was saved from that project was the grille design. It wound up becoming the grille design for the '46 Ford Truck.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 09:34 pm:

Mike, Those radials were Continental who were best at horizontally opposed four, six and eight cylinder flat engines. The radials were just not their thing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Spaziano, Bellflower, CA. on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 09:48 pm:

Yeah, you can say that again, Frank.

I've been told that Sherman tanks were also called "Rolling Ronsons" for their uncanny ability to catch fire.

I believe they garnered that nickname from the radial engine models. But that is only a guess.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 10:13 pm:

CRS is creeping in. A couple of years ago I posted some pix of a couple of GAA engines for sale at a shop in Gardena, and now I can't find them with keyword search or in my confuser. Another guy posted pix of putting one in his pickup.

Does anybody remember this?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerome Hoffman, Hays KS on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 10:25 pm:

RD, I do,and saved the pictures but they are on a different computer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 10:35 pm:

So much miss-information on the Edsel.
They NEVER had a 410 cubic inch engine.
The 410 stood for 410 foot pounds of torque.
They were in the '58 Corsair and Citation.
I don't give a rat's but what the internet says, they were not 410 cubic inches.
The number 410 was painted on the air cleaner.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 10:46 pm:

So much miss-information on the Edsel.
They NEVER had a 410 cubic inch engine.
The 410 stood for 410 foot pounds of torque.
They were in the '58 Corsair and Citation.
I don't give a rat's but what the internet says, they were not 410 cubic inches.
The number 410 was painted on the air cleaner.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 10:47 pm:

Oh, and there were 401, 447 and 534 Ford truck engines in '58.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James M. Riedy, Sandusky, Ohio on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 10:57 pm:

I can remember helping a buddy put a 406 in a 1958 two door sedan back in the mid sixties. Alas I don't recall from what model or year it was from. Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 10:58 pm:

The General Shermans used several types of engine.
A few had twin 6-71 jimmies, a bunch had a 30 cylinder Chrysler-built engine, there were Continentals, Carterpillars, an air cooled radial and a few had Ford V8 engines but I never saw one.
I always assumed it was a special purpose built engine because I think there was only one engine in each tank, so it must have been huge. Most likely air cooled.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 11:15 pm:

I believe the 406 came out first in '60. Maybe '61.
They needed too much maintenance for the 406 H.P. version. Like valve adjustment every 10,000 miles, as I recall.

OK, I found it.
The GAA engines were 1100 cubic inches, air cooled V8, quad over head cam.
They only built 28,000, half went into new tanks, the other 14,000 replace the tank engines in tired tanks, like the 30 cylinder Chryslers which took too long to service, and the radial that fouled the bottom spark plugs.
The site I found said they were the front 8 cylinders of a V12 that Ford designed for airplanes but never built.
They were NOT a copy of any other engine.

WAR sure gets expensive.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 11:17 pm:

Sorry Les B., I didn't see your post.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 11:24 pm:

The Sherman tank got its name from the Brits. They called them that because of General Sherman and it caught on with the Americans too.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 11:57 pm:

Thanks guys, but what is the "consensus"? Is the 406 the first Ford engine over 400 cubic inches in a production Ford Automobile (in 1960)?

Since, of course the 405 cubic inch in the 1906/1908 Model K. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 12:01 am:

Every one who has posted is correct to some extent, but if Rob's original title for this post is to be taken literally, the word "stock" implies to me a production car or truck engine; not something used in a tank.

If this implication is true, the the Fords as early as 1958 were the first 400+ c.i. stock V8 production engines. My father had a 430 in a 1961 Lincoln with a two barrel carb (if you can believe it). He bought another Lincoln in 1964 that had a 430 c.i. with a Carter four barrel (similar to a Carter AFB carb).

The first Ford car to offer a 400+ c.i. engine was the 1962 full size Fords that could be ordered with a single four barrel 406 c.i., rated at 385 h.p.. or 405 h.p. with three 'deuces'. This was when the Detroit horsepower war cranked up. Chevy had come out the year before (1961) with the 409 c.i. engine. The 406 was Ford's counter to the 409. Chevy was not to be outdone and in 1962, the 409 with two four barrel carbs, rated at 409 h.p. was released. Ford was determined not to be outdone and in mid 1963 released the 427 c.i. engine rated at 410 h.p. with a single four barrel, and 425 h.p. with two four barrel carbs. Meanwhile, Chevy had boosted the h.p. in their 409 c.i. engine to 425 h.p. with two four barrel carbs. In 1963, Chevy released an experimental 427 c.i. motor to a limited number of 'racers', but it wasn't until 1966 that Chevy bored and stroked its 396 c.i. engine out to 427 and was available in full size cars.

Although, a 430 was a design of its own, it was always my thinking that the 410 c.i. engine was just a 390 block with a 428 c.i. crankshaft, because if you build an engine with these parts, you get 410 c.i. without any overbore. Of course the 428 c.i. engine wasn't released by Ford for use in full size cars and T-Birds, until 1966.

I was lucky enough to own all at one time, three of the rarest Hi-po Fords of the 60's, a 427 c.i. 425 h.p. 1963 Galaxie convertible (1 of 411 verfied by FoMoCo; a 427 c.i. 425 h.p. 1964 Fairlane Thunderbolt drag car; and a 427 c.i. 425 h.p. 1966 Fairlane (1 of 57 verified by FoMoCo). Oh, if I still had them ....!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 12:16 am:

Terry,

So, the first (if we include Lincoln) was a 430 ci in 1958? And the first stock Ford is the 1962 406 ci? (Initially I thought it would be a simple question with a simple answer :-))

Thank you,

Rob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 12:24 am:

Rob, You got it! The 430 was developed for the Lincoln, but later was an option in T-Birds (I think about 1958, 59, or 60). then in 1961, it was dropped in T-Birds in favor of a 390 c.i. engine rated at 300 h.p. with a single four barrel or three deuces rated at 340 h.p.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 12:26 am:

I need to make a belated apology to Ted (earlier post on this thread). He emailed and explained in a good natured way he was just joking. I was too "thin skinned" and flew off the handle. Again, my sincere apology Ted.

Rob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 12:29 am:

Terry,

Thank you. I was typing my "mia culpa" at the same time you posted.

Rob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John F. Regan on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 12:40 am:

When I wore a younger man's clothes I used to drag race small block Chevy's with my brother but I drove a '55 Ford Sunliner during high school. The hottest conversion running around was to put a 430 cu in Edsel in it and there were 2 of those running around town but the second one was a 430 out of a Mercury Park Lane. I could not tell you what the difference was between those 2 engines if any. There was also a dirt track stock car attraction just outside of town and 2 of the "modified" class cars being driven by local heroes had 430 cu In "Edsel" engines in them according to the billing. Suprisingly the small block Chevy's could generally outrun them because on short track it was hard to get all that weight moving while the Chevy powered cars had high RPM capability with solid lifters and could just scream along in their rather light chassis designs. Still the 430's did win sometimes. Ton's of brute force but these were the days before roller cams. Some of the best racing equipment in the market had Chev part numbers. Cams by Duntov could wind up a small block Chevy to 7500 RPM and these were basically stock engines even when fitted with a pair of 4 barrel carbs. 1956 Chev came stock with a pair of 4 barrel carbs and hot cams. Ford had twin Holley 4 barrel carbs in 1956 too but the poor Y block design just couldn't breathe because of its head design mostly. But the lines of my '55 sunliner could run circles around any Chev when used as a Chic magnet ha ha. Fun times at the old drag strip at Alton IL.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 01:58 am:

There actually is a MEL engine Forum and from it I learned that the MEL 410 was actually a part of that engine family, and not a stroked 390 FE series engine. I was not doubting Royce in Dallas, but I had just not been familiar enough with MEL engines to realize that fact. MEL engines started out as 383 c.i; then went to 410 c.i.; then to 430 c.in. and finally to 462 c.i. A 428 (3.98" stroke crank) in a 390 FE block will produce 410 c.i., though. I also ran a 1964 Falcon with a Econoline straight axle and leaf springs that had a 1962 406 FE engine bored .040 OS and had a 1968 428 Cobra Jet crank in it which calculated out to about 435 c.i. The last time I ran it at Norwalk, OH. I launched so hard that it broke the traction bars under the rear springs and the car got "squirrely". I had to get off the throttle and ease down on the accelerator to go in a straight line and even so, I ran a 15. sec., 98 MPH quarter time. My best time was in the 12's.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 08:37 am:

OK guys, so on a "fact sheet" what year (and possibly model) did Ford sell a car with a 400 plus cubic inch engine?

(sorry, I'm kinda slow. I know there is a lot of information above, but I'm confused about year and model)

Thanks,

Rob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 03:46 pm:

To answer your question, 1958 was the first year for the 410 and 430 MEL engines and 1962 was the first year for the 406 FE engine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jon Crane on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 04:08 pm:

Didn't Crazy Hank's racers (999) run about 19 litre or well over 1000 cubic inches.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john kuehn on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 06:12 pm:

I was going to mention the 406 that came out in 1962. Terry Woods beat me to it.
Not many remember the 406. The 427 overshawdowed it.
I think the 406 was the first in a Ford brand auto. Not sure on that one.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 06:30 pm:

The 410 cubic inch FE was available in Mercury only in 1966 - 67. I've torn down a lot of them to get the crank shafts.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 08:18 pm:

A cousin, who was four years older than me, was given a new 1963 Galaxie XL 'boxtop' hardtop, equipped with a 405 hp 406 ci engine for his high school graduation present. He ordered it in the Fall of 1962, as soon as Ford introduced the 1963 models. It wasn't until early 1963 for mid year models that the fastback hardtop and the 427's were available. I remember the first time he took his brothers and I for a ride in that car. I was in the back seat and when he dropped the hammer on the accelerator, the G force pinned me to the seat back. I could not lean forward during acceleration. It was then that I said to myself, "someday, I've got to own one of these cars", and I did.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 08:35 pm:

Rob,

I should have added one of these:

Ted


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Friday, May 17, 2013 - 12:49 am:

Ted, again, my thin skin.......

If you get a chance to look at this, let me know what you think.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=opd_c9772YI&feature=em-upload_owner&desktop_uri=% 2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dopd_c9772YI%26feature%3Dem-upload_owner

I just "guessed" at the end on the 400 cu in year.

Rob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Grady L Puryear on Friday, May 17, 2013 - 10:37 am:

My wife ordered out a 1977 T'Bird with the 400 engine. At the time, I worked for a company that had hundreds of Ford company cars, all swapped out yearly, all with the 400 engines. The Heavy Heads got Mercurys, with the bigger engine, but I don't recall the size, except it was a monster. All our pickups (1/2 ton) hundreds of those, had this monster engine, you couldn't keep gas in one.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Friday, May 17, 2013 - 10:41 am:

Grady,

Great to hear from you! Hope all is well in "your neck of the woods". Thanks for the info,

Rob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Saturday, May 18, 2013 - 02:09 am:

The 400 ci engine, that Grady referred to, was based on the Cleveland engine design. Cleveland 351 ci engines were first offered in 1970, for sure, although there might have been a few very late 1969 builds that got them. The Cleveland head used angled valves which allowed for larger oval shaped intake ports and larger valves than the previous 351 Windsor engine. The heads used on the 1969 and 70 Boss 302 Mustangs were of Cleveland design but were modified to fit the 302 Windsor block. The Cleveland design was supposed to be the future for Ford, but it was found that the Windsor engine could pass more strengent emissions tests, I have been told, and thus they were short lived. Ford then produced the 351M (for Modified), if I remember correctly, and later, the 400M which Grady referred to. they were offered in both cars and pickups. I had a 1975 F-100 with a 360FE engine and replaced it with a 1977 F-250 with a 351M engine. Big mistake. The 360 was not a powerhouse, but it would run circles around a 351M.

A side note than might interest some, was an experience I had with a 1970 Torino GT and a 300hp 351ci Cleveland. I special ordered the car though a small Ford dealer. I was in my final year of college in the Dallas area and drove the car easy to break it in with no apparent problems. After some break in miles, but while it was still in warranty, I started hearing a slight knock, even on slow acceleration. I had a friend in the parts department at Horne-Williams Ford in Mesquite, TX., so I took it there to get it checked out. The Service Manager rode with me and agreed something was wrong. When they tore the motor down, the top half of the rear main bearing was gone. No sign of it. Also, when they went to pull the distributor out, it wouldn't budge. A slide hammer finally did the trick to the top of the distributor housing, but the shaft stayed in the engine. When they got it out, the cam gear and the distributor gear had worn to the point that they were locked together, and metal shavings were throughout the motor. To sum it up, Ford put a new long block (with the newer 4 bolt main block) in to replace my former 2 bolt main block. Everything went smoothly from that point on.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Saturday, May 18, 2013 - 08:46 pm:

The 534 was what was in the first fire truck our little town got new in 1972.
That thing had the power.But it loved gas.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William Storrow on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 05:13 pm:

Aaron is very much mistaken about the MEL 410 CI. MEL (Mercury/Edsel/Lincoln) design was introduced in 1958 along w/ the FE. Sizes were 383, 410, 430 & 462 by the time the 385 design replaced the MEL in 1968. Chris Craft boats used the 430 in some of their product. The FE also had a 410 cu in (briefly). And I think that's where a lot of confusion begins.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Wolf on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 07:19 pm:

Aaron;
I had a F1000 Ford with a 477 and they also had a 534. Loaded, I got 2 MPG.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Wolf on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 08:08 pm:

Edsel had a 475 in their cars in '58.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 09:36 pm:

MEL is an acronym for Mercury, Edsel, Lincoln. There is a MEL engine forum, online. It does not list a 475. Only 383, 410, 430, 462. Royce has been around a lot longer than me and I'm sure that he would agree that he has never heard of a MEL 475. Yes, Ford heavy duty trucks did have a 477 and a 534, but I don't think they were from the MEL family of engines; at least the MEL forum doesn't refer to that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 09:41 pm:

I loved the big block Fords and Chevys.

I put a 401 Buick motor in a lightened 56 Buick Special and made a bunch of money on Friday nights


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 09:54 pm:

Fred -- This is a Model T forum. No hot rods allowed, by order of the Forum Police! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 10:16 pm:

56 Buick Special; Hummm! Wasn't that what Broderick Crawford drove in the 50's TV show, "Highway Patrol"?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George_Cherry Hill NJ on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 10:39 pm:

I think that you'll find that the first >400 for a car was used in the initial Edsel release in the C platform car (citation & corsair editions) in late '57 as '58 models. That may be the reason such a simple question has such a complex answer. An Edsel? Oh my!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chuck Hoffman - Gold Country of Calif. on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 11:13 pm:

The 475 was not a MEL, rather a FT almost identical to a 477 truck motor. So, the bottom line is still the 406 was the first over 400 c.i. to be used in a FORD CAR. I was both a Parts manager and a service manager for Ford in those years and never heard of a 475 series engine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chuck Hoffman - Gold Country of Calif. on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 11:16 pm:

Assuming you don't consider a t-bird a real Ford....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 11:27 pm:

Chuck,

"So, the bottom line is still the 406 was the first over 400 c.i. to be used in a FORD CAR."

Don't forget our 1906-1908 Ford Model K, with it's 405 c.i. six. :-)

Rob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 12:18 am:

Rob, Sorry, your Model K doesn't fit the question. You asked what was the first Ford V8 over 400 cu. in,


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 04:02 am:

Terry,

Yes, I didn't think any 6 would have been that large. I was trying to determine how many years until Ford would put a 400 plus c.i. engine in a car again.

Thanks,

Rob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 06:56 am:

Thunderbird was a make unto itself in the 1950's, was it not? Similar to the Continental Mark II, as another example. The Comet was a separate make too, since it was originally intended to be an Edsel, but eventually became a Mercury brand in 1961.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By samuel pine on Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 06:59 am:

This is fun, or may it should be first over 400cid
in a Ford Product?? cause I got a 430 and a 383,and
do you know although a totally new design in 1958,
they were or are considered a Y block, & if one
does'nt aggree, just look where the crank is. And
then if the question is a Ford car then it would
have to be a Thunderbird.


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