Just went to Vintage Ford in Sacramento the other day to pick up some bits and pieces I needed and found these solid copper glands. I don't remember seeing these in any of the vendor catalogs I have here. As far as I can tell these should last through a bunch of manifold on and offs without leaking. They were not cheap at $29.95 but should out last several sets of the standard two piece gland sets.
Jay : are you sure that you can use these more as one time ????
The other venders do have these, been using for past 2 years. Really a lot better than all other options tried, no leaks or blown gaskets since an makes installing manifolds much easier
Toon, They are super thick and heavy. I would think you would get more then one good squeeze out of them.
They've been around for awhile now. Bought some a few years back for my '26 Touring. They sealed up real nice but you had to make sure everything was lined up straight before tightening down the studs or else they'd jam things up. Seems to me I wrote a message about them on this board.
I had bought a few sets of these a few years ago. They were advertised in The Vintage Ford in the past, they were made in Australia. I love them and can't say enough good things about them. They were selling them for $25, shipped anywhere, I bought 4 sets and paid $88. I still have 2 sets left and those should last me for quite a long time.
Made in Queensland.
With regular solid copper gaskets you heat and quench to anneal and they are reusable for many cycles. I suspect that would help when reinstalling these.
They were made in the old days too. I have some in an old box that I've had for 40 years. I think they may have been Fitzgerald. Seems like a better idea that Fords.
Doesn't copper melt at a much lower temperature than iron?
Why was iron never used for those rings?
Copper melts a skosh under 2,000F (plenty of room to spare) and has ideal compression characteristics for the application as compared to iron.
I've been using them for a year now. A great item that solved all the problems.
Walt is right, With copper gaskets like these you just anneal them and it softens the copper so the will seal again. Should be good for many years of use over and over.
I don't know if the problem still exists but on a new exhaust manifold I bought some time ago, the counterbore in that repro exhaust manifold was drilled way too deep and the existing "glands and rings" were impossible to fit up because a correctly made gland would just fall into that deep counterbore with the rings then falling to the floor. These all copper gaskets would have solved the problem but I have a strong distaste for one product compensating for an incorrectly made product since that leads to much confusion and I am not sure if the incorrect boring of the exhaust manifold then causes any other issues. Copper glands clearly do offer a good seal and I prefer them to other gaskets but they do require the manifolds to be straight and properly made. I ended up making longer glands to solve my issue but would have purchased these had they been available at that time. I am not disparaging this product but rather would like to have parts all made correctly in the first place so that the idea of "interchangeable parts" is preserved.
It's too bad that some parts manufacturers DO NOT manufacture their product(s) by adhering to the specs on ORIGINAL drawings as you do John,........harold
I'm a ring and gland guy...only use the copper crush rings once too. I get around that c'bore problem and the 'three hands needed' problem, with dabs of grease on the c'bores...it cooks off quick and makes it a 'two hands' proposition
Believe it or not I tried that. I honestly think the bores in addition to being too deep were also too large of a diameter. The glands just fell "in" to the bore at the slightest push and I couldn't get all 4 of them lined up perfectly enough to not push one of them in a wee bit and then the ring hit the floor. Envision trying to get a gland and ring to "sit" on the edge of a bore if it is way oversize. I was plenty angry that evening. I eventually turned down a piece of tubing to fit into a longer gland using my lathe and was able to make up 4 longer glands that held the thing OK but I hate the thought of having to work on it in the field if one of those longer glands gets lost.
Oh, the c'bores were THAT deep and sloppy? I would have had issue also. You need a good bite into the block c'bores or the next time you don't have a block c'bore to dress off of