Motor number C1 100 years ago today

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill on Sunday, May 19, 2013 - 11:50 pm:

On January 2nd ,1913 the Ford Motor Company of Canada purchased 800 lathes, milling machines etc. worth $32,500 from A.R. Williams Machinery of Toronto. This was in preparation to start machining of the engine blocks in Canada.

On May 20th F.M.C.of C. made motor number C1. May 21st motor C2. May 22nd C3-6 May 23rd C7-9. In all 101 motors made in Canada by the end of May. All were right hand drive. First left hand drive motor C198 was made June 4th. By the end of June up to motor C1006.

The raw castings brought over from Michigan. Romeo Foundry?? Others?

The earliest surviving 'C' motor found so far is C3** (can't locate exact # at this time) located in Edmonton Alberta. Is anyone aware of any earlier 'C' motors which will probably be a RHD either in the Commonwealth countries, Maritime Provinces or British Columbia.

This was a major step for the Ford Motor Company of Canada and the production of parts in Canada.

Kevin


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mark herdman on Monday, May 20, 2013 - 12:51 am:

Kevin

C36 complete car exists her in Australia

C56 project advertised also in Aust

C154 Body Tag only also exists here in Aust

Good reading

Thanks

Mark


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Chantrell - Adelaide, Australia on Monday, May 20, 2013 - 03:46 am:

Great job, nice to remember the Colonial cousin over the lake!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Carter - South Jersey on Monday, May 20, 2013 - 06:55 pm:

RE: "On May 20th F.M.C.of C. made motor number C1. May 21st motor C2. May 22nd C3-6 May 23rd C7-9. In all 101 motors made in Canada by the end of May. All were right hand drive. First left hand drive motor C198 was made June 4th. By the end of June up to motor C1006. "

Hi Bill - I'm interested to know more about 1913 production - can you please tell me the source for this information?

Thanks... John


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Monday, May 20, 2013 - 09:07 pm:

Kevin,

Kevin,

Please let us know if you prefer Bill or Kevin or it doesn't matter. Glad to see you posting again. For those who do not know or who do not remember Kevin, he is a researcher/author with many published articles about Canadian related Model T Fords and other A to later Fords. See: his article on Canadian Fords shipped to South Africa at: http://www.dyna.co.za/cars/ford-history.htm and if anyone would like a copy of his article published in the “Vintage Ford” Sep – Oct 1988 “Only in Canada – Eh?” about the 1920 - 1922 Canadian cars and the changes that occurred during that time frame. Our club allows us to share those for non-commercial purposes to promote our hobby and our club. You can click on my name and my e-mail is the third line down. Please put “Send Canadian Model T article” or something similar in the subject line and it will help keep it out of the spam box. He was also the source for the Canadian Export tables on pages 68-72 of “In the Shadow of Detroit.” See: http://books.google.com/books?id=THOyZ5JwkEQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=david+rober ts+in+the+shadow+of+detroit&source=bl&ots=8aP3OYrq9i&sig=Dqf-ga3FnFvIs-59Xwpdoee WB6c&hl=en&ei=8PSiTdqjJ4abtwfxuPiJAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi= 2&ved=0CBoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false and scroll to page 68.

And yes, please include the source of the information for those who may read this some day in the future and want to track down the documentation. If I win the lottery – I would like to do that … but currently the day job will not let me take a paid leave of absence.

Photos of some of the equipment used to machine the blocks at Ford of Canada are on pages 64, 65, 66, all taken from the magazine article in Canadian Machinery, 25 Dec 1913. Do most of the C-1 through C-xxxx or so have the “Made in USA” ground off the blocks? That is another area I’ve been trying to discover more about. Clearly many of the C – stamped blocks did have the “Made in USA” ground off before Ford of Canada began obtaining / casting their own blocks. Bruce McCalley (R.I.P.) on page 539 of his book “Model T Ford” [available from the club & vendors and his CD available at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/333725.html?1357665853 ] states, “Judging from existing Canadian engines, the cylinder block castings were supplied from Highland Park until about Dec 1919. The “Made in USA” was ground off, and there is no “Made in Canada.” Beginning about number C230,000 the Canadian plant began their own casting, and the “Made in Canada” began to appear on the side of the cylinder block. As usual, there is some overlapping, with U.S. and Canadian blocks being used for a time.”

Anyone living near Windsor may want to take a look at the Henry Ford (previously known as Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village) driving tour of Ford Canada history. Please see: http://www.motorcities.org/pdf/HF_HenryFord150Tour_Canada.pdf?utm_source=MotorCi ties+Newsletter+Vol.+6+Issue+19&utm_campaign=%22You+Auto+Know%22+Newsletter&utm_ medium=email

Again it is great to see your post. I hope all is well with you and your family.

Respectfully submitted,

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