help repairing my warford

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2013: help repairing my warford
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave A. Ulrich on Monday, May 20, 2013 - 08:27 pm:

I've been working on my 1925 c cab for about 3 years now and it's been easy to push it in and out of my garage until last fall. I pulled the rear end and driveshaft out and I found out the output shaft of the warford is hard to turn without a lot of force, the input seems to turn fairly easy. I know that one bearing in the front is hard to find if not impossible. How do you remove the rear bearing?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Schrope - Upland, IN on Monday, May 20, 2013 - 09:27 pm:

Can't help you on the hard turning, but the front and rear bearings are available - I think. The center one between the input and output is the hard one if not impossible.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By lorenzo leon on Monday, May 20, 2013 - 10:46 pm:

i think i have one ,is it cone like?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By lorenzo leon on Monday, May 20, 2013 - 10:51 pm:

I have one for parts complete ..had pictures ,cant find now


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Verne Shirk on Monday, May 20, 2013 - 11:16 pm:

If I remember right, that bolt you have the ratchet on needs to be removed, then the "daisy" wheel will unscrew. It's been a long time since I had one apart but I believe that is how you adjust the pinch on the bearings on the top shaft.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By lorenzo leon on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 - 07:14 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave A. Ulrich on Thursday, May 23, 2013 - 08:51 pm:

Lorenzo, My shifter is centered over the gear box but thanks for the help. I removed that locking bolt but I can not loosen that "daisy" wheel. I hope you turn it counterclockwise to loosen. I going to look for a spanner wrench somewhere this weekend. I am hoping to drive it in a parade in July but I got a lot of work to do.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave A. Ulrich on Sunday, June 09, 2013 - 05:06 pm:

I have had this truck for going on three years now and I have been pushing it in my garage to work on it and out back on the trailer for the winter. It rolled easy until I unloaded it at the WMSTR show Labor Day of last year. There was a binding noise from the drivetrain. A few weeks ago I pulled the rear axle out to make it easier to install RM brakes and narrow down the problem and found out the output shaft is what is binding. Today I started to take disconnect the Warford from the engine. I took one bolt out and just broke loose the other three and now the output shaft turns freely. What can be causing this??

Last year I installed a transmission support and I had to spread the bottom of the frame rails to make it fit but it has never been connected to the Warford. I added gear lub to the Warford before I went to WMSTR. I also had the hogshead off.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Paddison, Portland Oregon on Monday, June 10, 2013 - 12:41 pm:

Dave,

My buddy Chris and I have the exact same Warford (cast iron case) in the '17 speedster we co-built. We have both had it apart at least twice. The small setting bolt you ratchet is on does lock the "Daisy Wheel" in place. It should not be tough to remove....I just use a punch as a handle to simply spin it out like a crank, counter clockwise of course. You will most likely need to use a punch and hammer to GENTLY tap out the bearing's outer race in order to remove the input and output shafts.

The Warford would only be tight if the bearing pitch is out of adjustment (too tight) but besides that.....I wonder if it's something in the rear axle, or a dragging band?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chris becker on Monday, June 10, 2013 - 02:30 pm:

Could be that outer bearing is shot. You can by all the outer bearings but the inner bearing between the input and output shaft is non existent. Take the bolt your rachet is and like. Clayton says use a punch and drive it counter clockwise to loosen the "daisy wheel" bearing retainer. If it hasn't been removed for a while use choice penetrating oil and let it soak a couple of days.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By lorenzo leon on Monday, June 10, 2013 - 07:48 pm:

Dave ,i see that the center hole in the daisy wheel seems to be out on one side ,maybe the shaft locks there and binds the rear


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave A. Ulrich on Monday, June 10, 2013 - 09:07 pm:

With the bolts connecting the Warford to the model t trans loose the outputshaft spins freely but when I tighten them she start to bind up again. Could the tightening these bolts push back the inputshaft binding the bearings or is the Warford not aligned with the model t trans?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave A. Ulrich on Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - 09:28 pm:

I just finished taking the warford out and this is what I found. Is there anything that prevents this threaded retainer from working loose?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jeff cordes on Saturday, June 15, 2013 - 10:58 pm:

You are missing the jamb nut in front of that piece and I believe there is a tab washer between them to lock them in place.


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