Couple of T Questions for the Experts

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2013: Couple of T Questions for the Experts
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philip Berg on Friday, May 24, 2013 - 12:22 pm:

Question #1: A pristine Holley carb came with the parts I received when I was given my 16 coupelet. Would a Holley carb be correct for this year of T. Some of the parts I received have been cleaned and protected, my theory is these parts are originals off my car. I believe my grandpa was cleaning them for eventual installation later on.

Question #2: There has been some talk about aftermarket transmission bushings. In the parts I have is a complete set of trans bushings, the bushings have internal spiral grooves. Could these be NOS or did aftermarket bushings come with the internal spiral grooves? There is no markings of any sort on the bushings.

Thanks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Friday, May 24, 2013 - 12:33 pm:

Philip,

From the Encyclopedia at:
http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/index.htm

On carburetors:
http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/C-D.htm#Carb1

and on the Holly "G":
http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/HolG.htm

Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philip Berg on Friday, May 24, 2013 - 02:28 pm:

Thank you for the links, it looks like the carburetor I have is correct for that model year. Luckily grandpa drained it of all gas. I took the bowl off and it's clean inside. No more complicated then some of my motorcycle carbs.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Friday, May 24, 2013 - 03:08 pm:

Philip -- If it's a brass Holley G with the groove around the inlet, it's the correct one for your car. Those came with a cork float, most of which have seriously deteriorated over the years. The vendors now sell a composite replacement float for the G. You'll need to save the hinge from your cork float and put it on the new one. That's probably all you'll need to do to it to get it working. By the way, the G's work quite well. I drove my '15 Touring Car with a Holley G to the Centennial in '08. No problems, 1800 miles @ 17 mpg overall.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Les Schubert on Friday, May 24, 2013 - 06:21 pm:

Philip
In regards to transmission bushings; I have almost never replaced the triple gear bushings. I have found that if I replace the pins (which are almost always worn) that I get a very acceptable fit with the original bushings (which are almost never worn very much). Given all the problems that people seem to have in this area this is a policy I plan to continue with.
Generally I have found that if I replace the 3 smallest bushings (the ones that run on the main shaft) I am good to go.
Please make your own decision on this matter, but this is my experience


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philip Berg on Friday, May 24, 2013 - 07:04 pm:

Well I must digress from my earlier post. Pulled the carb out of the box and it is a model NH, last patented 11-2-15. It does have the ring as pictured in the link but mine has a brass float.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philip Berg on Friday, May 24, 2013 - 07:05 pm:

Les,

At this time I do not plan to replace bushing's unless necessary. I just wanted to find out if these are NOS or aftermarket.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Friday, May 24, 2013 - 08:04 pm:

The Holley NH, in a couple of different versions, was used from 1920 into the 1926 model year. It will work fine on your 1916. I've been using one on my 1915. If you want to be correct, the right carburetor for 1916 is the Kingston L-2 or the brass Holley G Mike described above.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Saturday, May 25, 2013 - 11:25 am:

There are at least 5 versions of the NH carburetor.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George_Cherry Hill NJ on Saturday, May 25, 2013 - 12:21 pm:

There is no way to actually prove what the bushes are without chemical etching at about 100 bucks a shot...but a fairly saf(er) eliminator as to era and possible OEM would be if the spiral of each groove was NOT 180 degrees from start to finish as repops are, but rather about 122 degrees from start of the helix to finish.

If what you have is good 'used' bushes only in that box...not worth the hassle because you'll never be able to get them to true up and press fit and still work anyway. If they are good new OEM, somewhere around here I have the Ford initial bore BEFORE the broaching (early) or 'Ballizing' (later) to achieve actual size after insert. Send me a PM if you want to know those values.


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