I was setting the top on a C-Cab and almost forgot the seat back bracket that goes between the upper and lower cab. The question is; does the bracket face with the U-channel positioned up or down?
I'm lost Ken, can you explain it again. I can't figure out what you are working with.
The seat-back bracket looks like a U-channel with the flange. The flange is inserted between the upper and lower back panel. I don't have the seat assembly and don't know how the seat-back attaches to this bracket. I'm wondering if the U-channel faces up or down?
A picture is worth a thousand words.
The bracket has a cross section like this. Does the seat-back hang in the channel or does it insert and lock-in under the channel?
Okay, I get it now. I'll have to admit I don't have any of these brackets on my trucks but I would guess that the bracket would hold over the top of the seat frame. I say this because of two things. First I don't think that this bracket has the slots for the small vertical rods that run through the seat frame and Second, if the bracket was to go over the top wouldn't it trap the seat from jumping out. If this bracket were over the top you could grab the bottom and pull it forward after the bottom cushions were removed in order to remove it.
Does that make sense? Ken I have never seen this bracket and was wondering where you found it?
I learned something new today. Here is a borrowed photo below showing the rear seat frame.
The bracket has slots in the flange just behind the U-channel. I should have mentioned that. The slots have a taper-lock that, I guess, allows the rods to be inserted then slid over to lock in place. It makes sense now that the U-channel traps the seat frame over the top. Thanks for the photo of the frame and the help.
The bracket was supplied by George House, a frequent contributor here and owner of the truck. I started to duplicate one but the tooling for a one-off is just too much. I know someone was making these but don't recall who. Perhaps George will show up after the holiday and add some info.
In the mean time, I try to get a picture of the bracket and post later today. Thanks again.
On second thought, if the frame is covered by upholstery the U-channel over the top wouldn't work well. I guess I better wait for more info.
Here's the bracket.
Ken,the seat backs had hardly any padding in them and none at the very top, where the bracket (upholstery retainer) in question is. At the very top,the upholstery wraps around the frame and is then covered buy the upholstery retainer. Omit enough padding at the top so as the retainer will not cut into the covering.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for this information. I never knew how the seat back was retained. I did a home-made design which turned out quite similar. Are there any more details on how the seat back is designed.?
Howdy Ken, et al,
Your bottom illustration of the cross section of the seat back retainer is the proper aspect of the installation. And you're correct in that it 'traps' the seat back frame. Don't try to make the seat back frame. I've already made one. Got the pattern from Gator Gould years ago. Its basically a design of 1/4" cold roll perimeter with 6 or 7 wrapped wires running vertically . When upholstered over 1/2" padding, it basically slips into the curled metal you've illustrated above and the bottom fairly "snaps" behind a bead on the seat bottom frame.
Howdy Don! You were right as usual. . .
I know it's too late but I got back and started to get my unrestored 27TT ready for the Fredericksburg, VA. AACA show this weekend.
Ken, your bottom illustration of the clip is correct. The backrest does not hang from the clip. It is trapped under it so it cannot raise up.
The description of the *scant* upholstery at the top of the back rest explains why the driver & passenger are not pushed forward. I have always wanted to be further back in the seat...'24-'27*C-Cabs* are not comfortable for me...not enough seat room and steering wheel too close. Yes,, I know, I should be smaller.
Preservatives and vitamins, John. . .Preservatives and vitamins. Add to that a much, much more sedentary lifestyle for our citizenry and we're all much larger than adults of the mid twenties. Only in the U.S. does grocery stores have electric shopping carts allowing the morbidly obese patron to select more food with a very minimal of exertion. None of the Model T body styles are "comfortable" for 90 % of us new-millenium Model T hobbiests. Even in my new and improved tudor I have to slump down and tilt my head so I can look out the windshield. But driving them in continually uncomfortable positions produces the absolute most fun this old man has ever had !!
My TT is very uncomfortable, and my tummy is only an inch or two from the steering wheel. I can hardly get in and out of it.
I recently worked on a club member friends' 20 coupe with suicide doors. I was surprised that the suicide doors allow a lot of room to get in and out of, as well as, drive!