Iron high compression head

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By joe bell on Monday, May 27, 2013 - 05:49 pm:

Has anyone ever seen one like this? Its a low style with an 'M' within a circle in the middle of the head.








Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tony Bowker on Monday, May 27, 2013 - 07:45 pm:

Whats going on with the elongated hole for the stud in the last picture???


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By joe bell on Monday, May 27, 2013 - 07:59 pm:

I had wondered the same thing? used for some thing else?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Monday, May 27, 2013 - 10:14 pm:

I think the elongated hole results from an "Oops".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Monday, May 27, 2013 - 10:37 pm:

It looks like the "Oops" is only on the bottom. I sure would run it it I had it! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Hallett on Monday, May 27, 2013 - 11:00 pm:

Years ago some one told me that model T and Metz heads looked a like other then the center bolt hole. The Metz was in different location. My thought is the M is for Metz, and some one machined the center bolt hole to a T.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Monday, May 27, 2013 - 11:02 pm:

I suggest you compare it to the photos of iron hicomp heads on the Tulsa club page. While I don't know what the "M" means, the Simmons, Giant, and Haibe heads were supposed to be very similar. I have a Simmons head and the spark plug holes look much the same as this one.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - 01:03 am:

It looks similar to a Metz head, except the Metz had the head-to-radiator piece mounted the other way. The two bolts are vertical to each other as opposed to horizontal. At least that is the way the '11 to '17 four cylinder cars are.
Would it be possible that someone changed that? It would not be easy to do. Another place to look for changes is that Metz had their name in block letters going up the water "camel-back" towards the radiator. You could look to see if it looks like they could have been ground off.
The Metz is a pain to remove or install that front piece because that top bolt is jammed in behind the radiator hose. The Metz also uses a longer reach pipe thread spark plug. I am not sure what I will do if I ever try to put my Metz together. Some Metz owners just use the T length plugs. They seem to work okay even though they are nearly an inch too short. Otherwise, I may have to do some more welding.
Check the fit of that head to a T block carefully. If it does fit, I would use it. It does look a lot like a Metz head.
drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By joe bell on Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - 05:57 am:

We had installed it to see if it cleared valves and pistons and everything was OK so that is why it got painted up to go back on. Thanks for the suggestions on it! Joe


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By joe bell on Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - 04:57 pm:

Wayne, when I sand blasted it you could see a different color of casting where the water neck was,but who ever did the job they sure made it look original.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - 05:10 pm:

Joe

Here is the Metz head for comparison


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By joe bell on Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - 08:19 pm:

Dan,
It sure looks like the same thing, well now I know to look for another one for higher compression. Found this one at Hershey last year,I think a whole 35 bucks for it.


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