I recently made a deal to acquire a complete wood kit for a 1919 Touring since the price was much cheaper than buying one or doing it myself. I have a 23/24 Touring body. Now I know there are some differences in the body design, but are they significant enough to cause an improper fit? Will it make fitting the body to the wood impossible? I don't mind if I have to modify some things; I'd just like to know is all. Thanks in advance.
I did not think of the year difference, if this does not work for you, no harm done.
There are two areas where there are major differences, the front foot well (riser) and the seats. On the early cars both these areas are wood, on later cars they use some metal. Neither is insurmountable but will cause some work & frustration. The metal to make the seats is usually available at swap meets as are the risers, however it you do it all in wood, who cares unless you go into judging competitions.
The encyclopedia available on this site show most of the metal parts.
I have never done a model T touring re-wood. But I would guess they are close enough to do some tweaking and get away with it. The cowl area could give you some fits if you are going to do the car as a high radiator '24. I am sure there are differences around the front seat and the upper upholstery tack strips. But those should not be difficult to do.
Being frugal, and making good use of what is available can be very good character traits. Just don't become the ultimate scrounge/cheapskate like me.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
The cowl wood is definitely different, and that would mean that the stringers attaching to it might be as well, are doors the same?
Thanks guys. It sounds like I should be able to use the 19' wood then; with perhaps a little tweaking here and there. It saves me time and money this way, and I'm used to frustration when it comes to T work. You should see some of the parts I've had to work with. Gustaf here was kind enough to give a broke college guy (me) a good deal. That's another reason I love this hobby: 99% of the T guys I've met have always been willing to lend a hand and be helpful.
Here: look at my flickr page and see.
It's a 24-25. http://www.flickr.com/photos/25touring/sets/72157628836933919/
This is the framework for my 24. Doesn't use as much wood as the earlier years.
The 1919 touring wood kit will not work in a 23-25 touring body. The 19 has a low cowl and 23-25 has a high cowl with more metal brackets. The pictures Dan posted show that. His pictures show what is under a 1921-25 touring. 1921-early 23 have a low cowl also. The 1921-25 touring have a large metal bracket in the back to support the fenders and top rest. The wood you have would work on the 1915-20 touring.
The key is low cowl. While it may seem to look like it 'might' fit, There are to many differences in low cowl 15-20 and high cowl 23-25 cars to get it work right.
I am building a low cowl Touring and there is enough 'frustration' using the correct wood in it!
As Leon stated the body brackets and other 'minor differences' will turn into more than you bargained for in making it fit correctly.
Using a body kit does not mean things will just drop in and that's it. Even when using the correct kit.
I have done several Touring bodies and Leon and John are spot on.
Even with a kit, there's tweaking. My kit was damn close out of the box, but still required some shaving to make it fit.
And the belt rails are entirely different; '19 on the outside and '23/24 on the inside.
on the '19 the rear seat toe board (the section under the back of the front seat) is wood, on the '23/24 it is a metal panel.
The door wood should be the same, but not a great deal more. Sorry. Bill
Thanks guys. It's a darn shame it won't work out. I appreciate all of the responses though.
Here's another one then: will a 1919 windshield fit a 24 touring body? How about 1919 rear fenders? And lastly, will the back panel of a 1919 front touring seat fit a 24 body?
oh, and how about 1919 touring doors? Are they the same as 24 touring doors?
The windshield will fit as it was used up to 1923 when the slant windshield came to be. Doors are the same and the rear fenders will also fit.I believe there were some differences in the rear fender's shape at the back that came along somewhere in there.I bet Larry Smith will know for sure.
A 1919 windshield will not fit on a 1924. 1919 used the straight windshield which was straight up and down. In 1923 they changed to the slant windshield which was slanted towards the rear of the car. You can probably physically put a 1919 windshield on the 1924 cowl, but the top is not going to fit.
1919 - straight windshield - two man top
1924 - slanted windshield - one man top
The rear fenders are the same as well as the doors.
Matthew go to the Howells sheet metal website. (www.fordor.com)
There you can check in the T section to get a good idea of what sheet metal T parts will interchange and what wont.
Also Howell's supplies Langs sheetmetal. If you have a Langs catalog you can check the sheetmetal section for references about T sheetmetal.
The doors will interchange but not much else as far as the main body sheetmetal is concerned.