OT - can anyone ID this car?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Monday, June 03, 2013 - 11:40 am:

A friends parents are the second owners of this house. The first owner is pictured with the house (newly completed) and their car. The picture is dated 1909.

Rob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth from NC on Monday, June 03, 2013 - 12:11 pm:

The hood and top look like a Cadillac to me.

Here's a 1909 Cadillac. The only difference I can see is the straps on the front of the top have a V at the end, other than that, looks like the same car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth from NC on Monday, June 03, 2013 - 12:22 pm:

On being able to really see the cars side by side, maybe not a Caddy. A lot of similarity with the radiator, hood, front end, but some things are off. Just not sure.

Overall your car just looks WAY bigger. In particular the back seat looks huge compared to this blue car. It may just be the perspective. I just can't decide if the angle and distance are enough to make it look that different. Also looks like the wheels on your car are bigger. Lol, maybe I just posted something close enough to muddy the waters.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 01:28 pm:

Another copy of the photo. Maybe this will help.



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth from NC on Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 02:11 pm:

This is making me nuts. Apparently in 1908 and 1909 EVERY car manufacturer had the same radiator. The closest thing I can find is this 1908 Auburn Model G. Looks like the top bows match, there's the same strap over the hood, the back seat is nice and big with the arm rests having the same curve, the seats are tufted the same, and the wheels look to be the same size.

Only thing that doesn't match is the octogonal rear windows and the V straps. So, Idk.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 02:25 pm:

Seth,

Also, notice the light colored inset panel at the top of the rear doors. 1910 Overlands had such a panel but I don't believe they where painted a different color. (In fact many makes had such panels.)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth from NC on Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 02:38 pm:

I clicked on 1908 and 1909 and there's a GOZILLION different cars it could be.

http://www.earlyamericanautomobiles.com/1908.htm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth from NC on Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 02:48 pm:

I'm about 95% it's a 1909 Mitchell Model S with the windshield removed. Everything matches, the top bows, the rear windows, the V straps, all the proportions of the headlights and front fenders, this is it man.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Bohlen, Severn MD on Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 03:03 pm:

It's the Caddie. Look at the fenders on it and the other possibilities. Flat blunt nose on the front fenders not the lipped curving ones of the Mitchell.

Though the back seat of the Mitchell is HUGE....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 04:06 pm:

Well, I know what it's not :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike taylor on Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 07:35 pm:

is the hand crank going thru the radiator in the last photo?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 09:54 pm:

Nice retake, Rob!!
My first thought for the initial question was also Cadillac. However, they did use the most common shape for large car radiator in those years, and not enough else can be seen with quite enough detail to be sure. It should be showing, in part, but I cannot make out enough detail to be sure that the front end tie rod is right for a Cadillac. Nice photo! Nice house! Thank you for sharing it.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 10:48 pm:

My friend, Steve, grew up in this house. His parents would like to know the make of the car. The first owner is pictured, and I believe his or his wife's sister lived in the house next door, an equally impressive home.

Steve's parents are preparing to sell the house and I'm sure the photo will go to the third owner, along with information of the first two families who owned the home.

Thanks for all your help and ideas on the car,

Rob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 11:25 pm:

Steve emailed and suggested it may be a "Great Smith". They were produced in nearby Topeka KS (the home is in Sabetha KS). The Great Smith's claim to fame is the first auto to reach Pikes Peak, in the winter no less.

This Great Smith is at the Kansas Museum of History.




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