If i have a 26 coupe ,with a title, and convert it to a pickup,remove the body and keep chassis
Can i just leave it as a coupe on the title
Even after the convertion ??
pic of what i want
I would. Nobody will know or care. Cops either love these vehicles or they don't know/don't care. You're just another nice, "old guy" enjoying an old car on the summer weekend. The T has a force field around it when it comes to harassment.
It might work until you or your heirs try to sell it. No one in there right mind would buy a truck with a Coupe title. Why not sell the Coupe and buy a truck?
I would bet that it would be very easy to get the paperwork changed to a pickup.
It wouldn't hurt to ask.
I bet you could cost yourself a bunch of time and money asking a question like that at any DMV.
It would be sort of like walking in the DMV office and saying "I am not too bright, is there someone here who will give me a hard time, take my money and then impound my car so I can hire lawyers to make me more unhappy later?"
The registration on my Runabout isn't entirely accurate. They had to register it as a two door because the computer would not accept one door. I doubt I would encounter any problems if I converted it to a pickup truck.
Never mind ..Changed my mind ..Im keeping the coupe..thanks
Perhaps you could title it as a coupe-pickup
In my experience anybody buying a T just wants to be able to get license plates for it. DMV in most states have long ago stopped using things like "touring car" or "roadster" in their body descriptions and you must select only from the available body types. Trucks are worse. Most of my titles simply have the correct motor number with the body style listed as "sedan". With DMV the only way to work with them is to lower your IQ to the lowest possible number that allows you to sign your name and then just give them what they want and under no circumstances try to explain to them something they don't know. Go with what "they" know and not what you know. They want to know how many miles the T speedometer says - give them a number in the box and you are home free - try to explain that your T never had a speedometer - get ready to call your lawyer. They created the system they have and they think it works - you won't change their mind. I have found that it is far better to simply get the title into your name without any changes and then later file a "change of title" form to correct any mistakes. Trying to transfer the title AND correct the mistakes all at the same time just never works. You end up not getting the title. Once the title is already filed and in your name you are then only dealing with the police officer who comes to verify things and rarely is that a problem since now you are dealing with someone who is interested in your car collection. The last 2 inspections like this that I had to do ended up with an off duty T ride and having a good friend on the local police force is never a bad idea.
As has been debated here before it's the Touring car 3 door 4 door thing. To them it's a 4 door sedan. I never asked why and don't care. What Royce said.
I went to AAA in California and the gal was great. If they want to look in there system you can get things right. My C Cab was going to be a pickup but I told her that it is a flatbed and I was going to use it as such. So a quick check and now it is a flatbed with the commercial plates that make it legal to haul things. Now I did not want to fight her or the CHP as commercial plates are not required till around 35-36. So I just payed a few dollars more and everyone is happy. Never go to DMV as they are payed by the government and dont much care as long as there get there pay rasies and any benny that a union rep can dream up. Scott
My touring is titled as a 4 door in NJ. Didn't ask, didn't care.
My '10 Chalmers Detroit is registered as An Allis Chalmers because the system is computerized and when they set up the
system Chalmers Detroit was not put on the list. At first they refused to believe there was such a car as they would not admit their system was inadequate. Once I proved them wrong on that they told me they could still not enter the car in the system unless it was categorized as a custom vehicle but that required a whole lot of other issues to be resolved such as compliance with current environmental and safety requirements. Eventually we settled on the Allis Chalmers name so I could get the car back on the road. I now have the only 1910 Allis Chalmers Seven Passenger Touring Car in the world!
Leave it the way it's titled. Mess with the DMV and you'll open a can of worms you'll regret.
Am I the only one who has never had an issue with the DMV?
I'll never forget 19 years after I left home I came back to reregister my 1929 AA flatbed in California. Dad had moved from 39 Arbol Ave. to 40 Arbol Ave. and taken my truck across the street. The nice lady at the DMV wanted to know how "Henry" got across the street and as I was about to say we drove it, Dad kicked me so hard I couldn't talk and he finished my sentence by saying we trailered it! Turns out if I had finished my sentence she would have fined me for operating an unlicensed vehicle for all 19 years it had sat idle! Just because the wheels had touched a California highway while crossing from 39 to 40 Arbol Ave.NEVER offer the DMV ANY information as it will bite you!
I'm with you Chris. Wisconsin DMV is a cakewalk compared to the rest of you. The only thing they do is ask for a bond if you present a bill of sale from out of state. They'll even give you back the old cancelled title if you ask for it.
Last summer I bought a nice 1922 Coupe. The old title showed "2 door". I filled out the title transfer forms and went to my local Wisconsin DMV office. The lady printed out a new title, and as I walked away I looked it over and the new title showed "2 door sedan". I went back to the counter and told her it was a coupe, not a sedan. She said that the computer did the change, but she would go back into the computer and see what she could do. She said she could not have "2 door coupe", only "coupe". She printed up a new title with "coupe". I'm happy now!!!!
TN is the absolute easiest to get a title in. You fill out an affidavit of ownership stating you are the legal owner and explain why you don't have a title. "Bought from farmer who said it was converted to tractor back in the thirties and had not been licensed since." Then have a police officer verify the engine number and your done. It helps to have something to show the officer that Ford used engine numbers long before VIN numbers were around. Take the form to the DMV with your $15 plus the cost of your tag (mine is $85) and you walk out with tag in hand and the title arrives within a week.
LOL when we moved from Northern Ohio to central KY I needed to register two vehicles. They required that the vin number be certified by a policeman. The problem was that the OH registration was running out and neither vehicle was in KY.
I went to the registry with the original purchase documents and explained the situation.
The gal made a phone call and told me to go to the sheriff's office in the same building. The sheriff looked at the OH documentation and handed me two pieces of paper saying that he had verified the vin numbers - It cost me $10 each for each inspected vehicle.
I then returned to the registry and left with two sets of plates.
Many jurisdictions refuse to do a change on title and like Royce says, why even walk in with a target on your back?
My standing harassment to local DMV is to be the anti-Royce sentiment, but only after years of experience on rebuilding cars. I go in with a picture of a chassis, the former title, and an insurance card!
I get rejected by the greeter all the time. I remind her that NJ has a law against having open titles and I'm just trying to be a good citizen and I'm just trying to comply. The greeter has the power to bring out the supervisor and with that its a 30 second flat face to face.
He nods, agrees that I'm correct by statute, but says they can't 'register' a chassis, only a completed car! My reply is...but I don't have a body for it! With that I magically always manage to walk out with a proper new title, and it says whatever the old title said. (As Will and Charlie comment, don't ever try to debate that you have a one or three door to the NJ DMV folks...they've heard it all before and it is you who doesn't understand that they do not have a check mark to do that ) It hasn't dawned on DMV yet that sometimes I'm back but a few days later with photos of a completed car, the recent new title now in my name, the same insurance card and now want to register the vehicle for tags.
I'm way ahead of the power curve now...no questions for them to ask, 1-2-3, write the check, pay the taxes, walk out with new registration card and plates. In NJ the historic class registration is a rollover and once every few years they send you a card to sign that you still have the vehicle. You sign 'yes' and send it back. A week later new reg. card shows up. Works for me!
Each state has different rules, but in Maryland, a State Trooper will inspect your vehicle and write a letter on the official letterhead that can be taken to The Motor vehicle Administration office with the old title, registration card or cards, which will be surrendered, along with the letter and $50. A new title and registration card will also be printed while you wait that shows the change.
There is normally a State Trooper at the motor vehicle office during some hours of operation and the vehicle can also be taken there for an examination and change. Some times an appointment is required there.
I just changed the engine in my 1926 Roadster and cleaned the paint off the frame to reveal the frame number, which was verified by the State Trooper and it took less than 50 minutes at the MVA office to walk out with a new title (Marked Corrected Copy), a new Vintage Plate registration card and a new Permanent plate registration card.
The trooper told me, "now you can change the engine every day, if you wish."
Then too, if your antique vehicle is stolen and recovered in Maryland and the recovered vehicle information in the data base does not match that vehicle and the information that you provide the police does not match the recovered vehicle, you will not get the vehicle returned, it will be sold at a police auction and you will not likely be allowed to bid on it.
The above information was provided to me by a police officer, after I identified a friend's Model T that had been stolen and hidden in my city. His vehicle number and body style matched the records and he was allowed to take the vehicle home that day.
This thread has started me thinking. (A very hard thing for me to do!)
The only number on my 1919 is the motor number so it is listed as the vin on the NH registration.
I am now thinking I will get a small brass plate (or the 1916 patent number plate), stamp the current motor number on it, make it look old, and attach it to the fire wall.
Then when I make a temporary motor switch there is some type of documentation on the vehicle.
Regan is right. Follow his advice. DMV employees, as most other government employees, are unthinking, taxpayer blood-sucking, payroll dependent worthless drones. Generally speaking, private employers would never offer them a job, as they are worthless and useless. That is why they work for the government.
If the change in engines is "temporary", don't bother with putting a plate on the firewall with the old engine number on the firewall that "look[s] old."
How "temporary" is this temporary engine change?
If you intend to put the original engine back in the vehicle within a short time, don't bother to create a metal plate that "look[s] old" that is installed on the firewall with the original engine number, especially since such plates never existed in the first place.
The government asshole you might confront may know that Model T engine numbers were not put on such plates on the firewall of the body. He or she will then know you created something that is akin to tampering with government records as regards the VIN number of that particular vehicle. You never know who you will confront.
"Make it look old" sounds bad, almost criminal. What's the point of such a pointless endeavor?
If it's a temporary engine change, don't bother.
Do the jack-booted government employees in New Hampshire even bother to check the VIN numbers of Model Ts, while they gulp down their donuts and delay responding to home burglaries for at least 30 minutes, so that they are assured that the crime scene will have most likely been vacated before they ever bother to show up?
Quote: unthinking, taxpayer blood-sucking, payroll dependent worthless drones. worthless and useless.
Very well said. Thank you. Now I have a new address label for my next property tax cheque.
Temporary could be a few months to a few years while I rebuild / refresh the original motor.
Many of the NH bureaucrats in our small town are our neighbors and they try to help. I was just trying to find a way to put a number on the chassis that matched the original motor.
You can sometimes "find" such a number if you use a set of number punches and a hammer to search with.
Get a bill of sale for the pickup bed and take that to the DMV with a before and after picture. They will re-assess the value by adding the price of the bed. You might even get them to take off the value of the turtle deck and it could be a wash with only a name change from coupe to truck. Some States charge a weight fee for trucks so you could be out there. States do not charge weight fees for handicapped drivers. A Model T would be rated at 500 pounds or perhaps a thousand pounds and they have a chart for weights.
I would tell them that they sold a kit for turning a coupe to a truck and they used them both ways. They make convertible trucks today, Chevy, Honda and Cadillac come to mind.
Let sleeping dogs lie but perhaps they would rather lay. ;~)