I've been watching this gentleman in Tucson, Arizona, trying to sell his 1926 Roadster pickup for quite some time, but nobody's biting. I personally feel it's a fair deal, especially at $7,500 or even a bit less, but I am wondering if I'm overlooking something here. Sure, the top is missing, but I don't get his "earlier pickup bed" comment. As far as I know the only difference between the 1925 and later models is the Ford script on the tailgate. Is there anything you guys see that I may have missed? I'm considering buying it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1926-Ford-Model-T-roadster-pickup-matching-number s-reliable-driver-No-reserve-/130922200994?_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649&ssPageName= STRK:MEWAX:IT&forcev4exp=true
Tops are inexpensive and easy to install... if you have the irons and bows.
I believe that this is a 1925 bed. The front stake pockets are at the front of the bed. After 1925 they were moved back a bit so you can sort of use them with the top down... well sort of, sort of can use them with the top up is more like it... those front pockets are pretty useless all the time.
If you aren't going to use the stake pockets (few people do), then no problem.
1925 beds are not easy to come by so you could swap or sell the bed and get a correct one, or maybe a turtle deck.
The 25 box has a fender iron mount and when new had an iron that came out to hold the fender while the 26/7 box has a flat surface that the coupe/roadster/pickup fenders bolt to. The one in the listing is a 25 box.
I might be wrong, can't get a real good angle on it, but it looks like a touring turned into a PU.
There were at least 4 different versions of pick-up bed for a T in the three model years they were made.
The one on the e-bay posting appears to be a generation 2. Below is a photo of what I believe to be a generation 2 (others please correct me) Notice the stamping on the side panel...the later 2 are totally different.
Now an interesting conundrum would be just how are those 26 fenders attached? Attached using the '25 version threaded flange on a boss and a post and somehow fitted to the fender? If so, it appears I think I see the 26 back straps in the well. Evidence of the 25 post mount in place and removed? no shadow, no weld up? Might be a new box when originally mounted. They only made version 2 for about 5-6 months and a branch/distributor/agency just may have a few in the box. The picture shows the post mount.
LA George has a good comment and worth checking out. I'm half thinking but not totally convinced that the tub shown is in fact a 26/27 style with demountable trunk!
As far as price...west coast/ Midwest /east coast, you're on your own but in my north east coast/ mid-Atlantic view, your 'fair' price assessment would be fair unless on site it is really sorry.
Stan is right on the bed; its a 25 with the post for the fender support. The body is a 26-27 roadster or roadster pickup. If you check the 3rd picture it show the side panels curving back on the bottom to match into the subframe of the body that the bed fits on top of. You can also see the subframe extended behind the rear spring area. Also on the side panel is the plug for the bracket that would hold the saddle for the top bows. Most likely it was a roadster with turtledeck and a 25 bed substituted. Also looks like 25 or earlier fender bracket was riveted under the 26 rear fenders to match up with the rod from the PU bed.
if the spare tire carrier is correct and it has a ruckstell, theres 2 grand right there added on
Since it has a Ruckstell, I'd budget for Rocky Mountain Brakes as well as adding the top. She looks like there is only the Ford brake.
Good price...lots of value. Interesting to note that no bidding. Only known problem is the '25 box which is indeed worth more than a '26-'27.
Add or subtract 2 grand of the Ruckstell depending on it's condition.
Add to that, the engine may never have been rebuilt, add 3-4,000 for a rebuild (less if you most the work yourself).
I studied Bruce's book again last night in regard on the Roadster pickup and you guys brought up great points. I tend to believe it was a Roadster originally and the pickup box may have been added later on to add utility or to beat rationing during the WWII. I have no problems with that. The description of the seller is honest, the car looks like a largely unrestored car that runs and drives as it should which is what rocks my boat. Easy starting, running on Mag, new radiator, no water pump in 3-digit temperatures . . . what's not to like?
I will make him an offer, playing into my assumption that it will get no bid once again and if he accepts, head to Tucson to check it out in person. I don't care much for the Ruckstell on this particular car which I would use as a semi-daily driver on my 4-mile commute to work, but I would add auxiliary brakes before I put it into service indeed.
Looks like the original factory installed rubber plug(S) in place of top irons, like it never had a top. Maybe a good "clue" for somebody more knowledgeable than me. About the Ruckstell, I think it adds a lot of value no matter what shape it's in. And, judging from black paint peeling off of what appears to be red primer on the Ruckstell, I'll bet it's been rebuilt. All in all, I agree Bernard,......"what's not to like?" FWIW,...harold
This is a Touring body that was converted to a pickup....Dave
The embossed design on the back of the rear panel on the back rest of the seat show, I believe, that it is from a touring body.
It is not a touring body. The embossed area is typical of a roadster, although some have apparently had none. Besides the top bow saddle plug is roadster, not touring.
The body is a runabout body. Most all runabouts have the embossed feature, the touring don't have any embossing on the front seat rear panel.
Note the area on the upper body tub where the captive nuts (holes) to mount the turtle-deck, and the top prop rod and the rubber plug for the top saddle iron, only the runabout body will have those features.
eBay pickup, a '26 runabout fitted with a '25 bed.
Below is a typical'26 early runabout body with early style '26 pickup bed, front stake pockets at edge of bed like the '25 bed. But the '26 bed was later changed to move the stake pockets back 7", since the farmer could not place a flare board stake in the early design, the Improved runabout tub overhung the bed
Some of the Improved runabouts did have smooth panels on the rear of the front seat, but most have the embossed design.
Thanks Dan those extra screw hole had me thinking, since I own a touring.
I made him a lower offer and he declined politely.
Nice ute, I would buy it if it wasn't so far away! :-(
I wonder how the guy gets access to the battery?
Worth every penny he's asking. KB
Larry, I think he has a home made wooden battery trap door in the usual place for battery access:
(wish I had some money, looks like a nice pick up)
Regarding the battery ....probably had to move the battery box structure rearward since the '25 bed has a shallower offset area in the bed front panel