Chevrolet 490 - Ford T Help reqd

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2013: Chevrolet 490 - Ford T Help reqd
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Skinner on Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - 06:54 am:

Hi - I'm really proud to be part of this fantastic forum and have solved many T issues with your invaluable help and advice.
Its a shame that my first thread is a Chev 490 subject but you guys seem to be the most helpful I have experienced so here goes:
So that my T's can have a giggle I have purchased the mortal remains of a RHD 490 that was abandoned in the jungle in New Zealand in 1931 and was air-lifted, stripped, shipped to the UK and then I have it.
Many parts are missing and unfortunately the Chev forum has not helped me in locating the missing parts.
I have read that a few MTFCA people have 490's so ask if anyone knows where I can locate a torque tube with the brake cable bracket and mechanism, a rear spring and 20 tooth gear from the upper layshaft in the gearbox for this project?
Any help or advice would be fab.
Thanking you all in advance and my next posts will be 100% T as I will share my speedsters with you.
In the UK I scratch build original Ford T's and have created some fun vehicles which I will post pictures of.
I'm currently using my late father's RHD 1911 Torpedo on a regular basis as a tribute to him plus a 1921 Touring.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Karl Gilchrist on Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - 07:08 am:

Sorry to disappoint you but we don't have any jungle in New Zealand! The Chev 490 is a good little car. One of my friends has one-I will enquire about parts -Karl


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Skinner on Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - 07:51 am:

Thanks Karl, I did wonder about the NZ jungle, It was abandoned after the Mangapurua settlement left and all the surrounding areas were described as virtually un-reachable and like a jungle.
Thanks for asking your friend.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - 03:05 pm:

Welcome to the wide world of model Ts! (Okay, you've been working with them for years now, so welcome to the forum).
Can you give a little more detail about the transmission itself and the gear? There is a slim chance I could have one. I have the remains of a couple (mid '20s??) Chevrolet transmissions. Their condition is not very good, but some parts are okay. I know from friends that there were several different transmissions used by Chevrolet in the early '20s and that a lot is not interchangeable between them.
How about some photos of your C****?
Again, welcome!
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Skinner on Saturday, June 15, 2013 - 04:29 am:

Hi Wayne - thanks for the welcome. I will read the instructions on how to upload photos of the car. I used the 'upload attachment' button but couldn't see the images in the preview.
The gear I need is 20 tooth with facility for a selector fork and is cut-out for an internal gear mesh.
The car has a fierce cone clutch that was probably the cause of the busted gear.
Having spent a lifetime working on Ford T's, its really interesting working on a similar period competitor and seeing the numerous ideas and parts taken from Ford.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Willis Jenkins on Saturday, June 15, 2013 - 08:36 am:

Richard Skinner, aka. SkinLizzie,

Your last statement, "Having spent a lifetime working on Ford T's, it's really interesting working on a similar period competitor and seeing the numerous ideas and parts taken from Ford." , is contradicting what you have said on the Chevrolet Forum. Your post on 3/08/13, "I"ll be writing for the F**d T club GB to compare the 2 cars as the Chev is far more advanced than a comparable 1916 T." To my knowledge the only parts that are interchangeable between the 2 cars are the kingpins, tie rods and the ring & pinion gears.
Before saying the Chevrolet Forum was of no help, a post on there by Geraldo on 6/13/13 has mentioned a 1916 490 parts
car listed on eBay in California that appears to have nearly
all the parts you would need to make a car? The $1500 starting bid is not bad, but shipping to the UK will be expensive.

Willis


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sven Jakobsson on Saturday, June 15, 2013 - 01:28 pm:

I saw this in a rear axle of a ChXXXXET about that age. It seem that the man with that car needs a good ring gear and pinion gear They are not plentiful here in Sweden. And, they do look different than the same things on a Model T.
Best regards, SvenRinggear


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Saturday, June 15, 2013 - 03:50 pm:

You can get the 490 ring and pinion gear here.

http://www.vapinc.com/ringandpinions/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sven Jakobsson on Saturday, June 15, 2013 - 04:28 pm:

Ed, Thank you very much.
I will tell him.
Best regards,
Sven


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep on Saturday, June 15, 2013 - 05:17 pm:

That link only had the pinion for a 490. i heard chevy owners are modifying reproduction model T crownwheels & pinions to fit, Is that true?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Saturday, June 15, 2013 - 05:43 pm:

I guess you are right kep, no ring gear it seems. Here his a discussion on a similar topic

http://vcca.org/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/260745/1/Drive_shaft_ring_and_pinion _ge


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Skinner on Tuesday, June 18, 2013 - 04:01 am:

The original crown-wheel and pinion on my car had been lost so I assume that it was in a bad way and thrown away.
I am fitting a Ford T diff assembly and all seems quite straightforward as the axle uses the same pinned thrust plate idea from the T.
The cone clutch seems to have been a real issue in breaking gearboxes and diffs. Something I'll have to watch out for.
Anyone know when I can get a torque tube from please?
490


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Skinner on Tuesday, June 18, 2013 - 04:04 am:

Here's a picture of the car as it was in the late 20's and the engine now.
490 originally
490 engine


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