More '13 Top Trivia

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Sunday, June 16, 2013 - 10:24 pm:

I found one of the original rear curtain straps today, and decided to make a couple. What is interesting about them, is they are TWO pieces sewn together. One piece is leather, and the other is top material, or door panel material. The stitches are very close together, I think I used 14 to do it. Came out as good as the original would have been. Something new every day.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Monday, June 17, 2013 - 12:17 pm:

Larry-
Here is the original rear curtain strap I have.
It is the same material construction as yours, but my stitches as farther apart. There are only about 6 stitches per inch.
Total length is 10-1/2

This is one of the parts that came with the car. I have no way to prove that it came off of my car, but I have reason to doubt it. I also have two original buggy pins.

I have photos of the car from 1928-1932 and the photos show the top had been replaced. There is a rectangular back window that looks like it is actually glass. The edge of the glass looks like it is beveled. In the photos I cannot see the curtain straps, nor if the back panel of the curtain even rolls up! Maybe the photos are just too dark to see the details.

Are these like yours?

-Keith






Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Tuesday, June 18, 2013 - 12:54 am:

Here is a copy of an original strap that I made this morning.Rear Curtain Strap


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Tuesday, June 18, 2013 - 01:45 pm:

Which side goes front? Leather or top material?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James J. Lyons III - West Virginia on Wednesday, June 19, 2013 - 06:42 am:

Larry - Here is a photo of the rear window straps in my 13. The straps are original and so is the cloth covering on the top bows. Pads are also original. Top was replaced in the 50's. Has anyone ever seen four straps hanging from the rear bow and is it common to have the pins inside from which to hang them? Also, I have two straps hanging on the other bows which appear to be for rolling up the side curtains. Those, however are not original - but I don't know if someone made them to replace something that was originally hanging there...curtain strapscurtain strapsside curtains


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Wednesday, June 19, 2013 - 11:10 am:

Keith, the strap was broken off, and laying in the turtle deck when I got the car. Here is the latest troubling part of my new top installation. The nail holes for tacking the top to the sockets are not consistent. Had I have known that, I would have welded up the inconsistent holes, and made them all the same. Every day is an adventure!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Wednesday, June 19, 2013 - 12:17 pm:

James - On my '14 Touring, I also have 4 straps hanging from the rear bow. The 4 corresponding pins are on the outside of the rear bow. I also have straps on the side bows, apparently for storing the side curtains. I must say though, that I think my top was replaced along the way, maybe in the '50's or '60's. I've owned the car since 2006.

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carey on Wednesday, June 19, 2013 - 04:21 pm:

My 13 has 4 straps also and the pins are inside.
How do you roll up the window and strap it on the inside?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dare - Just a little South West . on Wednesday, June 19, 2013 - 04:53 pm:

Can you post a pic of those hanger pins.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 10:10 am:

David-
Here are my original pins.

Notice the area were the diameter is slightly smaller, presumably where rear curtain strap would naturally seat.



Tom and Keith, would you guys post some pics of your rear curtain and side curtain straps?

: ^ )

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 10:33 am:

I have heard these called buggy knobs, buggy pins, curtain knobs, curtain pins...

I guess the Patent office called them "carriage curtain knobs."

http://www.google.com/patents?id=V5VWAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&source=gbs_selected_pages&c ad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://www.google.com/patents?id=lnlsAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&source=gbs_selected_pages&c ad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false

Does anybody know what Ford called them?

: ^ )


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