Old Photo - Ford Vs. Ford

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 09:24 am:





And here's a picture of the drivers


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john kuehn on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 09:38 am:

After looking at the photos I wonder about the drivers.
At least the drivers had a chance to jump out since they were open cars. And by the way is that a gas street light that the Touring ran into or next to?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Greg Kuhnash Southeastern Ohio on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 10:16 am:

Look at the down spout on the house, see the figure?
Maybe the spirit of the person killed in the crash looking on....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren Henderson on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 10:18 am:

But, I had the "Right of Way" officer!

Happy motoring, Warren


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Eagle Ida Fls on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 11:28 am:

Another case of "Turns over but won't start."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan B on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 11:31 am:

For what they took under the bad driving conditions back then, I'm always amazed at how they crumple, twist and break in an accident


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Nowell Herman on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 02:22 pm:

I agree Dan, so tough yet also so Fragile


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 09:20 pm:

What scares me about this accident is that the local butcher is there! Is he looking for fresh meat?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 10:00 pm:

Note on the car on the right [upright car] what appears to be a “green visor” style headlamp used early 1921 to around mid 1921 on USA produced cars [ref: http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/I-O.htm#lamps The 6511DX used a frosted “Tu-Lite” bulb with a clear lens. Early in 1921 the 6511DX clear lens was replaced with the 6511EX which had green “visor” and used a clear “Tu-Lite” bulb. The “Tu-Lite” bulb was 6-8 volt, 18 and 2-3/4 C.P. About June 1921 the 6511HX with the Ford “H” fluted lens became standard, and continued through 1925 in the passenger cars. The 6511KX used in non-starter cars used a double contact 6-8 volt, 21 C.P. bulb. The dimming inductance is mounted behind the area where the ammeter would have been.

When you zoom in you can see the brackets for the cowl lights on that car – indicating if they were original to the car – that it was a non-starter / non-electrical car.

I cannot figure out the top rest on the car on the right – is that a standard top rest with something added, accessory top rest, or possible Canadian top rest? I cannot make that out. And of course we cannot really tell what size the front wheels were.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garnet on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 10:48 pm:

There is a second photo of that same accident from another angle.

Garnet


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn on Friday, June 21, 2013 - 08:12 am:

I look at that damage and I'm thinking..."this was probably at 25 mph"....wonder what it would've looked like had they been doing 50 or more like some people like to push these cars.....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Friday, June 21, 2013 - 10:07 am:

Garnet -- thanks for the lead. If someone runs across the other photo please let us know. Please don't take time to go find it -- but if you see it I would like to link this one with the other discussion.

Key words: 1921 green visor touring accident

I think the car on the right may have the wide arm rest of the older style touring bodies rather than the narrow arm rest of the later 1921-1925 bodies. Just looking for some additional data points for how much overlap when the new style bodies and old style bodies were used. And yes, since the car appears used the headlamp rims and/or body may have been replaced prior to the accident. That is why I do not want anyone to put a lot of time into a search. If the car appeared new -- I would be asking and searching hard more information. Some times Shorpy etc. will have a related date or something that can also be helpful in dating the photo.

Tim -- I think you are correct -- it is unlikely that they were going full speed in the town. Note what appears to be a policeman -- wearing the second hat to the right of the lamp post. For John -- yes, I think that is probably a gas lamp -- but that is only based on the more modern lawn gas lamps I used to see in many neighborhoods when I was growing up. I don't have any background on when most of the cities switched over to electric street lamps. And then for this photo when did that city switch over. So I'll defer to someone else who knows more about that subject.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


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