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Me on the Lincoln Highway in my Dad's Home town of Elkhorn, NE
Interesting that it was the fiftieth anniversary of the battle of Gettysburg. At the same time an encampment of Civil War veterans was being held on the battlefield. They reenacted Picket's charge, and when the Confederates reached the Union lines the old enemies fell into each other's arms, weeping.
Herb, thank you for posting.
Steve, interesting link to the Civil War and the naming of the highway.
Kirk, good to see you have Nebraska ties....
Saturday I'm taking our 13 T to Omaha to meet the procession for a local event. On Sunday, we take the 13 and Model K to Kearney to participate in the celebration with our local T club. It'll be interesting to see the cars coming from both directions. It should be a great event,
I have a booklet written by the man who set up the 1913 and 1938 Civil War veteran re-unions at Gettysburg. The friendly, hand-shaking Civil War veteran photos we all have seen are a facade to what REALLY went on behind the scenes to get the old Rebels and Yankees together for the first time since the Civil War ended, especially at the 1913 event when spirits and loyalties still ran high among men not that much older than today's average Model T owner is now. It wasn't as easy and automatic as one might think to get these events off the ground. Old hatreds and suspicions were still very much in evidence, even 50 (1913)and 75 (1938) years after the Battle of Gettysburg. The author's life was actually in peril while inserting himself into a 1910's United Confederate Veterans' (UCV) convention in Texas to propose a re-union in 1913. VERY interesting reading, if you are a Civil War buff! At the 1913 event, for example, a near riot broke out among the veterans in the communal dining tent when someone (presumably an ex-Confederate!) made a derogatory comment about Abraham Lincoln. Fist fights broke out among the 70+ year-old veterans over that. One Confederate veteran was asked to give the "Rebel Yell". He declined, saying the yell couldn't be properly duplicated by men with full stomachs and a mouth full of dentures. I believe Shelby Foote quoted this incident in the Ken "Let's Revise History to Suit Modern America" Burns' 1989 PBS Civil War program. How bad was the animosity between these old veterans half a century after the war had ended? Separate camps were set up on opposite sides of a major road through Gettysburg to keep the two former enemy sides at a safe distance from each other. Can you believe that???
Let me know if you don't have this booklet, Steve, and I'll forward you the title and ISBN for you to locate. Or, perhaps loan it to you? What a hoot to read!!!
Marshall, former Civil War/WWI re-enactor
Yes, I'd like info on the booklet. I expect our local library can get it. The grudges don't surprise me. Some Americans are still mad at today's Japanese over WWII.
The civil war never ended in some parts of the south, racism and hatred of black people, people from the north, catholics are still rampant.
"Some Americans are still mad at today's Japanese over WWII."
You say that like it's wrong headed, Steve. That seems too PC to me.
Marshall, could you send me the info on the book too please? never heard of it and I am a Civil War buff, thanks.
I live right off the LH. It is one of my favorite roads to go on a day trip on bike. We used to take it to my grandparents in Iowa. Took the whole stretch in 8 hours. A few good antique stores too.
I'm near rt66 too, but you can keep 66, it is over hyped, and over romanticized.
For all interested parties, here's the scant information on the Civil War reunion booklet that I could glean from its pages: "The Last Reunion of the Blue and Gray" by Paul L. Roy (editor of the "Gettysburg Times" at the time of publication), published and distributed by The Bookmart in Gettysburg, PA, printed in 1950. I'm sorry, but there is no ISBN or other publisher information provided in this 150 page booklet. I bought it at the National Museum in Gettysburg about 40 years ago @ $1.50. Yes, that's right - one dollar and fifty cents! It's probably $25.00 now, if copies are even available. You might try the Museum's bookstore for reprints or maybe Amazon.
Not only are both Civil War Reunions in Gettysburg discussed, but the list of veteran attendees by state at the 1938 reunion is included. 'Love some of those names, especially the tongue-twisting biblical ones! Lots of high quality photos, too. Hard to believe that these veterans were mostly born in the 1840's, yet lived long enough to drive Model T's and later, see the seeds of World War II begin to bear their bitter fruit. Some even lived long enough to witness the atomic age! Quite a jump from the muzzle-loading black powder warfare of the Civil War! And these veterans spanned those two ages. These guys were tough, old birds!
My great great great grandfather was wounded at Gettysburg on the first day of the battle (probably saved his life) (temporarily anyway). Frank Phillips was in the 26th North Carolina company K "Pee Dee Wildcats".
If he hadn't been wounded on the first day, he probably would have been killed in Picket's Charge. He died a year later in a hospital in Virginia, cause unknown.
I'm thinking these two fought on the same side!
My great-grandfather-in-law (is that too many hyphens?) was in Cobbs Legion, ANV, in the Irish Brigade at the wall, Maryes Heights, in Fredericksburg. He was wounded twice, but survived the war.
You mention Pickett's charge; the company I work for was founded by his grand-nephew.
I have a customer who's great great grandfather was Ambrose Burnside.
All that makes for wonderful conversation.
I'd like to do the Lincoln Highway someday, alone. That way I won't have to keep up with people, and stay at pre-determined hotels. I'd like to start in San Francisco, and wind up in NYC. Coming home I'd like to take the National Road. I guess that only goes as far as Chicago.
I agree with you about driving the Lincoln Highway without a schedule.
The attached two pictures show my son Bailey in Eureka, Nevada.
U.S. 50 from Ely, Nevada, to Fallon, Nevada, is as desolate and deserted a road as I've ever seen. I believe that I-80 took most of the traffic, but 50 is well maintained.
Whenever the NAAA national convention is in Reno or Las Vegas, I drive it with all my sample / display items. I love to fly, but driving through the southwest, especially in the winter, never gets old for me.
On this trip (December of '96), and on one before it (December of '93), Bailey and I spent the night in Ely and drove to Reno the next day for a trade show. On that Ely to Fallon stretch of the Lincoln Highway, we saw maybe twenty other vehicles, total, and that's counting both ways. My guess is that highway is still that lonely.
You can see the snowball in the air by the "T".
My Great Great Great Grandfather was wounded on July 3 and died a few days later. He was repatriated to Savannah, GA a few years after the war. He lived nowhere near Savannah, but but I suppose the repatriated veterans were brought home by ship and Savannah was the closest port. There is a large section of Laurel Grove Cemetery set aside for the Gettysburg dead from Georgia.
As for ongoing hatred.....Most people I know have no problem with blacks, Catholics or most Yankees (So long as they don't come down here trying to tell us how backward they think we are.). Sherman, on the other hand........
I spent two years in Atlanta (1971 -1973) and the surrounding counties and found the Georgia folks to be kind, considerate and friendly. Just so long as you did not come off as a "arrogant Yankee" which is what Hal is mentioning above.
The older family members all had a story about the war as told by their grandparents etc. And yes Sherman was mentioned often.
I think that 20 cars amounts to heavy traffic for that length of road. You must have been on it during rush hour. I drove that stretch of road one winter in the night under a full moon for about 20 miles with out lights, until I met someone doing the same coming from the other direction.
It probably was rush hour; isn't it amazingly beautiful countryside?
I just noticed that you farm. I work as a repair parts supplier to fertilizer dealers and aerial applicators. If you get any spraying done by air, I may have met the operator at one of the conventions.
I believe the road started some where near Times Square in NYC. Can't remember the exact crossroads but there was an attempt to get a placque mounted on a building in the intersection. Don't know what happened. I've ridden the New Jersey section of the road a number of times. Route 27 I think. Also pretty sure not all for the original route is driveable or mapped any more.
Was much of the Great Race (1908) over the same route as what would become the Lincoln Highway? It seems like I read that while looking into some Great Race articles.
Rob, good question. I do remember reading an article about the Great Race and it's description of "the savage void of Nevada" was certainly accurate!
I don't know the route of the Great Race or what highway(s) now comprise it, but regardless, Nevada is truly a beautiful, yet unforgiving route.
IS there a map with the times it will be there as I would like to meet the tour when it gets to utah?
Andrew, sorry. I was writing about the Great Race in 1908. I think it's correct title was New York to Paris.
The current Great Race did come through Memphis a few years back; Germantown was an overnight stop. It was great to go see all the cars. The one common thing I saw in every driving team was that they were dirty, tired, and happy.
I just came across this photo in my files abd wanted to ad it here.
Talking about the Ken Burns re-write of history: Let's not make the mistake that the South was the only place that racism and hate took place. That was a countrywide disease, fully supported by the duly-elected Federal Government. Doesn't make it right, but we weren't all clean back then...
1. Blacks didn't own people. (oh, yes, they did)
2. Every southern white man was a colored hating slave owner (oh, no, they weren't)
3. Slavery became illegal on January 1, 1863 (Oh, no, It didn't. It was still legal until December 1865. In fact, no slaves were freed in the border states by any presidential document)
4. Every white man that fought for the North fought to free somebody. (This is untrue. Many northern regiments after their 90 day enlistments were up, were forced to remain in service or face prison and court martial. A number of regiments refused to fight.)
5. Every white man that fought in the South fought for a section of the country that wanted to enslave people. (While technically true, you cannot tell me that every white person living in the south, even those that didn't have slaves, wanted a government that enslaved people. There's not one shred of physical documentation to back that up).
My Yankee great Grandfather told my Dad they were not against slavery so much as reviled by the slave owners selling their own (half-white) children. Turns out that was true even of Thomas Jefferson.
I never understood why the working class in the South supported the Secession. After all, slaves were cheap foreign competition for their labor, just as illegal aliens are cheap foreign competition for the working class today.
Will, if you haven't read this history I highly recommend it. It covers some of your points above in considerable detail. It's a thorough examination of a complex and fascinating subject.
There is talk that the Lincoln Highway was the first, but the Yellowstone Trail is a year older than the Lincoln Highway. It is just not as well known.
The southern states did not need to secede in order to keep slavery. The Supreme Court Dred Scott decision in 1856 not only affirmed the institution of slavery, it also invalidated the Missouri Compromise. This made slavery open to establishment in all the land acquired from Mexico after the Mexican war, as well as northern states that had previously outlawed it. I believe the court's language was that slavery was a guaranteed property right, and that no state (and maybe no territory) could outlaw it.
While I have not studied Supreme Court decisions that have later been reversed (such as Plessy V. Ferguson, 1896, reversed by Brown V. Topeka Board of Education, 1954), I believe that no major decision by the Supreme Court had been reversed as of 1861. My guess is that it would've taken 25 - 40 years for the Dred Scott decision to have been reversed (without a war) by the court.
Why the non-slave owning white working class supported secession is not clear to me.
I'll make time to read the wikipedia link on The Peculiar Institution, Steve.
So Dave I hadto look up the Yellowstone Trail.
This is what I found so far.:
I haven't read it yet
after you do some study of secession and states rights, you'll see that the seeds of secession were sown in the early 1800's due to a desire to reign in an increasingly Federalist government. Treaties, tariffs and other Federal interventions boiled blood among the majority of southerners, not just slave-holders, leading to secession and the Civil War immediately following. Slavery was an issue that was wrapped up in the war, but not the cause...Ken Burns, modern education, et al, not withstanding.
I think that we think in this "modern" age that secession is nuts, but that generation of folks were barely removed from the war for independence and I'm sure the thought of fighting for independence (again) was less odd than it might seem today.
The practical result of course, was abolution of slavery, which is a good thing, and the further strengthening of a Federal system that trumps the needs/desires of the States...the result of which we see daily.
It's a very interesting history subject that's not well understood by many people these days, which I'm sure would amaze and dismay folks (on both sides) who lived through it.
Rhett Butler told Scarlet that all wars are about money, and there's considerable truth in that simplification. In the industrial North, manufacturers wanted protection: high tariffs on competing imported goods. Southern planters sold their cotton to English mills, and bought fine English goods with the proceeds, and were very much against tariffs on those goods. They also saw slavery as an economic advantage they didn't want to lose. Add to that the frantically delusional vilification of Lincoln as a radical abolitionist who would doom the South, a belief that was widespread in southern states, and you get Edmund Ruffin firing on Fort Sumpter, at which point the fat was in the fire.
The book mentioned above ("The Last Reunion of the Blue and Gray" by Paul L. Roy ) is listed on Amazon: