How do I install transmission bands and hogshead?

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2013: How do I install transmission bands and hogshead?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew Atchinson on Monday, June 24, 2013 - 11:15 am:

Hey guys,

I am reassembling the engine to my T. I have Scandinavia cotton bands. How do I countersink and attach the bands and then reassemble to the transmission? Then, how do I apply the felt gasket piece? Lastly, what is that brass "U" shaped piece in the transmission head and how do I reattach that into the transmission?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Monday, June 24, 2013 - 11:57 am:

Sounds like you've skipped the most important step.

http://dauntlessgeezer.com/DG80.html

When all else fails, read the directions.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Monday, June 24, 2013 - 12:35 pm:

You don't have to countersink transmission bands. Be careful to check you have split rivets made out of brass - there have been issues with brass plated steel rivets scoring drums. Here's a good thread describing the process: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/80257/95922.html

For a recent discussion on how to seal the hogshead see: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/365087.html?1370475998 (many ways to do that, most important would be to be careful checking how everything fits before applying any sealing goop that dries)

The u-shaped thingy is one part of your clutch throw-out bearing - it fits in the rear (second) groove on the clutch collar. You can hold it vertical for reassembly with dental floss - you can also use that for holding the band ears together when lowering the hogshead.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Monday, June 24, 2013 - 12:36 pm:

A few older posts with info

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/29/23649.html?1169049228


http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/80257/107201.html?1254311657

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/257047/261592.html?1327163574


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth from NC on Monday, June 24, 2013 - 12:44 pm:

Band ears may require safety wire to be held together. Mine would have required COPIOUS amounts of dental floss. Lol


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Monday, June 24, 2013 - 07:06 pm:

Plastic ty wraps are a better choice than safety wire to hold the bands together on assembly.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep on Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 12:07 am:

The bronze U shape thing is part of the clutch release, When you get the rest together test the operation and chances are it will be in the wrong groove on the part that pulls the clutch spring backward. i drive the rivet through from the outside inward through the cotton by hammering the rivet in with the band resting cotton side down on a wooden branch. Then bend the rivet parts over with like, a screwdriver or something, Transversely so they have a wide area across the drum and score less deeply (good point about checking if they are brass or only brass plated).
i applied the felt gasket with my hands and stuck it down to the motor with something but i had it too far forward so it rode over the corner and made the top really hard to line up so try to avoid doing that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth from NC on Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 11:25 am:

Hey Matthew, did you get what you needed info-wise?

How about some pictures and a status update!?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 12:19 pm:

If you are installing Guinn wood liners (which I strongly recommend), you should install the wood liners onto the bands with hollow brass rivets with the heads countersunk on the wood side, then after getting the bands as perfectly round as possible, slide them over the drums from the rear, while you have the hogshead off, then install the hogshead using the technique I wrote about at 01:56pm, on Sept. 12, 2012, in the following thread: www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/257047/313252.html

Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 01:44 pm:

Matthew,

Are the Scandinavia bands some of the brand new ones or old stock? The new ones don't hold up very well at all. Are they black?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JohnH on Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 09:57 pm:

Scandinavian band linings are fine if you treat them correctly. Those who prefer to keep modern car driving habits will disagree. The new ones could do with a bit of extra length, however.
I expect they'll become one of the "no longer available" products in the next few years seeing as I'm about the only T owner that likes them, and can get the mileage out of them that I do.


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