I'm going to look at an 18 Studebaker tonight. I believe it is a 4 cylinder, not the "Big Six." Does anyone know anything about these? Important things to look for?
If it's running, how does the rear end and transmission sound? How does the motor sound? Hows the compression? Any major drips or leaks? How does the distributor look, is shaft tight, how are the points cap, rotor? How is the wiring? Are all parts and trim present? Tires? Wheels? If it has a starter/generator, do they work? Hows the sheet metal? Hows the radiator? Mostly the standard stuff. Is it a survivor or restored?
Here's what it is. He has the top irons, fenders, and everything else and it is in the same condition as the rest of the car. I think he's a little high on the price and was thinking of offering around 2500 if everything is there. Does this sound reasonable?
That's a neat car. It looks like a genuine survivor "jalopy" or graffiti car. I would get it running and keep it the way it is. I wouldn't even consider painting it. 2500.00 would be a bargain if most of the parts are there. His asking price certainly seems fair from what I can see.
No comment on the price as I don't know the Des Moine market (or any market when it comes to "OTHER" cars) except have the green in hand and a trailer to move it. What is there looks to be solid. Could have been gone through many years ago, or just freshened up. You might want to put the axle nut back on the driver side rear wheel before you move it. Cool looking car. When you get it be sure to post some photos.
Ned - "PM" Frank and/or Bill Harris; they have owned, for many years, a Studebaker just a couple years newer than the one you're considering.
If there is an extra pr of front wheels I have a friend who purchased one last yr and its stored here minus front wheels, he needs a pr badly
I like! Someone has done some work on it. Wonder how much? If most of it is there, the price is not bad. The Antique Studebaker Club is nationwide and quite active with a nice magazine. I highly recommend them to anyone interested. (The Studebaker Drivers Club is for modern cars)
Parts are not too hard to get through club contacts.
I am glad that is not near me. I cannot afford to try to beat you to it.
There are several early Studebaker regulars on this forum. I had to sell my '15 a few years back and would love to get another, even a few years newer.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
Thanks guys, you're making me feel good about this.
Wayne- I never thought of anyone trying to beat me to it. I thought everyone here was my friend haha.
I'll let you guys know what it's like tomorrow.
LOL Yes, I think you can trust most people on this site. But don't wait too long! (At least, not if you are interested in such things) Studebaker, in that era, was probably second only to Ford as the best car for the money! Look at the transmission, if you can. That was their weak area, in part due to the harshness of the cone clutch which they still had at that time. I know a fellow that owns one of the last Studebaker fours of that series.
Again, good luck!
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
I'm suprised it's still for sale. It was posted on the 17th of May. I accidently ran across it when looking at a site that lists all of the different happenings in the area.
I would hate to see it become a hot rod like the ad says.
Focus, Ned, Focus!!! You should be expending your energy (and money) on Model T's.
Since we are OT and talk Touring: this '23 Dodge was on eBay twice. The first time it went to $5,800, the second time to $5,100. Owner is hoping for $8,000 but that remains to be seen. Now figure out how many thousand dollar bills you will need to spend to bring that old Stude up to this condition.
I actually think it's a heck of a deal.
Another example: this '15 Buick Touring sold for $13,000:
At prices like these, it doesn't make much sense to restore a car that needs a lot of work, unless one enjoys the process and doesn't mind losing money when it comes to sell the car eventually.
Well I went and saw it. It is more taken apart than it looks. My idea was to put it back together and running and then list it for sale. It's a little more...a lot more work than I wanted to do. The engine is supposed to be rebuilt and so is the transmission. It was a really solid car and not beat up at all. Just not what I was looking for
The good thing about Model T's is the availibilty of parts and information. This isn't always the case with other old cars and that has an effect on the price and popularity.
Love both the Dodge and Studebaker. A few years ago I had a 1929 Erskine Club Sedan (2 door coach). Great car but, stupidly, passed it on. Now looking for my first T as, has been said, you can get almost every part needed.
On a related subject, you guys in the US and other LHD countries are lucky as when built for our RHD the foot throttle is placed between the brake and clutch peddle. Not that tricky but does confuse some drivers.
That is a stupid place for a throttle, everyone knows it should be on the right side of the steering column. When I told my father I had bought a T, his first comment was "it has a hand throttle!" and I asked him how that was any different from a John Deere 4020. That was the easiest debate to win in my life with my father.
I had similar in the mid 1970's when I begged my father to buy a late 1920's Buick Sedan. His argument was that it had a "mid accelerator". Many years later I got to drive one and found it was no trouble at all. I had great delight in calling him and telling how easy it was. By the way, from memory, the
Buick was AUD$200! Oh, to go back in time.
Saturday around town car.
I really do not need any more projects. That thing is about 2000 miles away. The gas alone would kill me. I wonder what Jim charges for a haul like that. I could sell the coupe? Naw, that would be a bad idea. But I do miss my old Studebaker. I think I am glad it is too far away.
Not that far off topic. The Studebaker plant on Piquette in Detroit was just across Brush Street from the Ford Piquette Plant, where the Model T was developed and first manufactured. When Ford moved to Highland Park in 1910, they sold the Piquette Plant to Studebaker. That 1918 Studebaker might have been made in the old Ford plant.
Nice car, Charley. '19-ish Big Six?
Series 16 4-cyl and Series 16 6-cyl
If I recall correctly (IIRC), The Piquette plant was used by Studebaker until sometime in 1915 for final assembly of Studebaker automobiles. I believe it went to someone else shortly after that. I do not know if the series 16 cars were built at Piquette or not. They were all built during calender year 1915, but only from about May '15 until mid December '15. The newer and "more improved" series 17 car was officially unveiled on December 28 1915. It is interesting to note that the series 16 was at first sold as the "1916 model", however when they came out with the series 17 while it was still 1915, Studebaker sent a letter out (in late January '16) to all their dealers and series 16 buyers telling them that these cars were "to no longer be referred to as 1916 model" cars, that they were to from then on be referred to "by their series number". Studebaker returned to year models again about 1919.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
@Dan, it's a 1922 big 6 60 series, runs like a dream even in modern traffic.
I want it.
It's all yours. I'm not interested in it.
I believe that all Studebakers of that era were six cylinder cars. Light six middle six and big six. The ones before 1923 had aluminum heads and were prone to aluminum worms. If it runs and does not leak, it will be a nice car. Very strong and easy to fix. English Lucas electrical ignition parts fit and that is nice. Big problem is the accessory shaft on the right side of the engine. The shaft runs to a pod on the side of the block. The distributor is mounted on the top, the aluminum water pump is in front, the generator is in the back and the oil pump is on the bottom of the blister. electrolysis is your enemy and you will have to make a new water pump body out of gap rod.
The three universal joints are made out of a rubber impregnated fabric and we made them out of tractor power belting from Grainger.
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Ned, I meant I want Charley's Big Six.
@Dan, that's Becky's Big 6, I've never shown you guy's what I collect.
I'm not wise on Studey's but that radiator looks like a Whippet.