I drove my 1912 from my house in Georgetown TX to a car show in Austin today. It was 22 miles one way, and the thermometer read 107 when we started driving to the show.
Had a real nice drive to the show, car ran great. The next oldest car was a '32 Whippet rat rod. There were lots of muscle cars. I let a lot of people sit in the car for pictures, and crank started the car several times to demonstrate how the car always starts on one or two gentle pulls on the crank. Lots of questions about the gas lights and wood wheels. Lots of honking the bulb horn for kids.
The show is at Freddy's custard and steak burger restaurant. They give a free meal to anyone who brings a car to the show. I had a double bacon cheeseburger that tasted great.
Anyway they started announcing winners of different awards while I was just finishing dinner. At the end, they announced the people's choice award was for the 1912 Model T!!!! Got a real nice plaque for my office wall at work.
Grinned all the way home even though it had only cooled to 105. Great day for a drive in the Model T, just like any other day!
Great for you!
PS It's helps to be nice.
Well done Royce. No pics?
Cool Beans Royce!
BTW it was 106 here today.
I did not take any pictures, too busy talking to all the nice folks. Some of my friends were there, hopefully one of them can share some pictures.
Congrats Royce! A month ago my '12 T Commercial Roadster also took People's Choice award, like you say, very gratifying. This car (truck) was the hit of the show! Same with the bulb horn...started to sound like a flock of geese going over!! So far this little truck has gotten 3 for 3, and we'll keep on showing! Maybe someday it'll get Best of Show!!
Royce: It's so important to get our cars out let the next generation see and enjoy them. It sounds like you did a great job and had fun at the same time. Congratulations!
Congratulations, I bet the hot rodders had their nose out of joint when a lowly T got people's choice. I seldom take my T to a show, but when I do I notice that I have three times or better the number of people around my T than any of the hot rodders do.
The above picture was taken on the main street of Grand Lake. It was not a show we just happen to park under the trees on the town square.
Ditto the above regarding congrats and the fact that you let the kids have fun with it too. Some seeds may have been planted. Good job Royce.
Congratulations Royce. Please post pictures even if it is in your garage.
I'm not into trophies but the People's choice award is a good one.
Good going Royce. Peoples choice is a great trophy to win and it sounds like you were a great ambassador for our hobby. Congratulations.
Never thought about that, but it makes sense. There are judges, and there are judges. And there is bias and prejudice, and "nit-pickers". But "people's choice" is a pretty good measure of where an award should really go!
Congrats.......I bet the other exhibitors were T'eed off....... LOL .......
I love taking my un-restored 15 touring to the steam and gas shows near me and doing the same thing. No awards of any kind are given, but folks love to look the car over and ask tons of questions. About 3 years ago, the thermometer at the show (in Berryville VA) got up to 107. It doesn't do that here very often.. In any event, when it is time to go home, and I start gathering the lawn chairs and putting the hood back on the car, a crowd starts to gather. They love watching an old car that has to be crank started.
Glad you had a good day.
Okay... Since Royce hasn't posted a picture of his car, I will.
and my favorite...
Way to go, Royce!
The maroon 14 behind the 12 is his dad's touring.
Holy cawow Royce! Is that your Great Granddaughter in that last photo?
Very nice T. Full brass cars look great. Is it an early 1912? Tell us about the colour the car is painted...don't think I've seen that before. Is it your only T?
I'm only going to ask this as a matter of learning, not to pick someone's gorgeous car apart...but I thought '12's didn't use that dash "extension" just under the windshield? So many variations, it's hard to keep up! Someone enlighten me!
Shown is a very correct, very early 1912 body. The one piece dash you refer to was later applied to this step side style body, and later became the "t" standard, with the exception of the Town Car which used the lower dash and column shown through the 1914 model year.
Thanks for the edification! This is why this affliction is so interesting....so many things to pickup on. Actually too many to remember, but can only try.
The doorless 1912 model year is my favorite vintage. Now, if only there were a place to mount a hand-klaxon!
I don't know the story about the color. It was painted by (or for) a previous owner who passed away 30 + years ago. His wife died about 6 years ago. I bought the car from a fellow who purchased the estate in 2007. He knew nothing about the car's history.
I call the color Porange. It's sort of a cross between pink and orange.
I have a number of Model T's including this one, a 1915 touring and a 1917 runabout.
Actually the body on Royce's car is a 1911 body that was built before they started putting fore-doors on. It is a Beaudette body and I would guess that was probably made around September, 1911. Maybe even August. Ford did not put bodies on cars in an orderly fashion. The body inventory was FILO. First in-last out. By the time they built Royce's car they were getting very low on body inventory. They were so low that they were putting the really old body inventory (1911) on the new cars.
Royce's body number is 3644 earlier than my car.
Royce's serial number is 8090 later than my car. (6-8 weeks-ish)
Royce calls his car a 1912 because it was made in Ford's Fiscal year, 1912.
My car was also made in Ford's fiscal year 1912, however when it was purchased new in December 1911, it was registered as a 1911. The original owner of my car drove it until the day he died in 1935. I have the registration from 1935 identifying it as 1911. So I call mine 1911.
I won't get into a pissing match about what year someone call his car, or what year I call mine
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I have seen cars that have one-piece dash with the step-side body, with and without fore-doors. as well as two-piece dash cars made with the step-side body, with and without fore-doors. We have no record when the smooth side bodies were used exclusively.
During this time there were about a half dozen different body manufactures and they did not all make the same changes at the same time, so it gets pretty confusing and complicated.
I am working on a future article about the late 1911 and early 1912 cars.
Royce's car is a nice car and he has lovingly done a lot of work on it. He indeed should have grinned all the way home. Congratulations, Royce.
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I particular like the Hooters picture.
Good show, Royce !! You well deserve top prize for your excellent restorations. But do you live in Dallas or Georgetown? Were you on the IH 35 access road all the way or did you go another route? Bet you were glad you had one of them 1912 waterpumps, huh
I too enjoy seeing pictures of Royce's fine T. And since Michael D mentioned a particular picture, my favorite is the one of Royce changing a tire with his dad watching from the running board.
I think that the color is Pitty Tink because of the Hooter's Girl posing by the car.
Congratulations Royce, it is truly the "People's Choice"
I once owned (in 1955) an original unrestored 1912. The engine casting date was November, 1911. It had doors. When I registered the T, I went by the model year and since it was a 1912 model, that was what it had to be. Why would anyone want to call a Model T by the year of manufacturing, if in fact, the model year is later? I always have assumed that the person thinks that the earlier year makes their T have more prestige. When I see a 1912 listed as a 1911, I smile to myself, for I think it is just to funny to laugh. I also owned a 1912 chassis (a January 1912 T) and located a 1911 touring body for it. I sold it and it was restored as a 1912 and titled as a 1912.
Darel, you raise a good question. The H.C.C.A. is rather strict with automobile dating. The first V12 Packards were 1916 models but because they were built from August 1915 on, they allow them to attend all H.C.C.A events. So they go by the year built rather than the model year.
The owner of such an automobile can attend tours, vote, and hold office
Since we're talking about this, and I'm always interested in value, what would be the gap in value between those early cars?
Let's say you have a wonderful Touring, not perfect, but definitely nice enough to win a local show and largely correct. If that car was a 1909, 1910, 1911, 1912, and 1913, what would the value be?
My '16 touring's engine block was stamped on Dec 10, 1915, so I qualify for HCCA membership & events.
It's still a '16 though!! (and one of the first million Ts!)
You can't quantify a 1909, or any of the other years, simply with a number. In 1909 changes were constant, and nearly so from 1909 - 1917. In 1912 there were several distinct styling evolutions, again impossible to say one has more value than another simply because of when it was made.
It's not something that can be summed up in a thousand words or less.
following this forum and watching some very early cars offered for sale, I was under the impression that from 1914 or '13 on, value climbs dramatically with every year downward. So it's not true that all things being equal, a 1912 Touring is worth considerably more than a 1913 one or a 1911 Touring is considerably worth more than a 1910 one?
Take a look at the jump between Brass and Black. Interesting how many people love to polish that stuff, hee hee
It's on my list of jobs for this coming week.
On the subject of car shows and judging...
We'll be attending our first MTFCI national tour in Kanab and our second Canyonlands Tour. I entered my car in the judging contest but am having a lot of second thoughts since I rebuilt the car to be a touring car and not for the show and critique of a judges eye.
I did however win first place in the Huntington Beach Concours show in our driver class two years in a row.
The devil is in the details. A really nice 1912 with all its proper parts might be worth more than a 1911 that was devoid of many of the proper parts. Also, the 1911 model year ended on a certain day, and the next year's 1912 model year began the next day. Ford didn't make any overwhelming changes at the beginning of the 1912 model year, just like the transition from 1912 to 1913. Or the transition from 1909 to 1910. Or the transition from 1913 to 1914 for that matter.
What I am trying to say is that over the years many Model T's become a mixture of parts from various years. For driving around and going to parking lot shows this probably suits most people just fine. A proper 1910 engine might be worth $25,000.00. Guess what happens if your 1910 has a 1911 engine in it?
Not to say a 1911 engine is worthless obviously, and there are many differences between a early 1911 engine and a late 1911 engine. Where to stop and where to start is the question each owner must decide, and those decisions ultimately affect value.