Brass rivets bending when trying to sinkk into transmission bands?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew Atchinson on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 07:48 pm:

My rivets are bending while trying to sink them into my Scandinavia bands. Can anyone give me good techniques for doing this without ruining the rivets?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 07:53 pm:

Use a soft block of 2x4 as a base. The last set I did I used a half rotted cedar 2x4.

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Richard Bennett on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 08:00 pm:

Matthew, when I fit the much tougher kevlar bands, I first punch a pair of slots for the rivet tangs using a small sharpened screwdriver blade. That way I can push the rivet through the material first and the bend the tangs over.

Hope this helps.

allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Robison on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 08:01 pm:

Here is how Steve Coniff describes how to do it. I have very good luck installing them using this method. I use an old Model T Spoke instead of a 2 x 4.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew Atchinson on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 08:10 pm:

Thanks guys: all of these methods seem like they will be effective.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 08:42 pm:

The 2x4 block of wood is the way to go.

Whap that rivet with a ball pein hammer and it will cut thru the lining, with tangs just protruding.





Then spread the tangs just a bit more open with a flat blade screwdriver, then whack again with the ball pein and that will push and fold the tangs into the lining.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Wolf on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 09:03 pm:

The last set of lining I installed, I lined up the lining, took an ice pick, punched a hole in the lining, turned it over, placed the head of the rivet on my anvil,took a screw driver, spread the points of the rivet, took a piece of round bar stock, laid it on the points and hit it with a hammer. The 2 rivets on the ends, I did the same, except I put a flat punch in the vice, centered the rivet, spread the points and hit the bar stock with a hammer, like the others,
Have had no problems


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 10:35 pm:

Position the ball of the ball pein hammer between the tangs and whack the ball pein hammer with another hammer. If you try to whack the tangs with the ball pein hammer, you are likely to miss the center between the tangs. You can also use a piece of 1/2" pipe to spread the tangs and curve them around into the lining. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Richard Bennett on Tuesday, July 02, 2013 - 12:15 am:

Jim, just a word of caution! It is not safe practice to hit one hammer with another. It can cause chips to fly and that is a threat to your eyes in particular.

Keep safe.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kohnke Rebabbitting on Tuesday, July 02, 2013 - 01:38 am:

Jim, just a word of caution! It is not safe practice to hit one hammer with another. It can cause chips to fly and that is a threat to your eyes in particular.

Keep safe.

Allan from down under.END QUOTE

Allen, why didn't tell me that about 18 years ago?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Nathan Bright on Tuesday, July 02, 2013 - 07:51 am:

you can always hit the metal hammer with a wood or rubber mallet. ones like you use to lay down hardwood floors sure pack a whollop!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john kuehn on Tuesday, July 02, 2013 - 09:03 am:

Dan T's pics using a 2x4 with a screwdriver and ballpein hammer is the one most everyone used on and off the farm in the Model T's heyday. Its probably the most used overall. Simple works best.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Friday, July 12, 2013 - 11:35 am:

Everyone please heed Allan's post. I still have a small piece of a hammerhead imbeded in my forehead just above my right eyebrow. That happened in about 1975. I didn't intend to strike the two hammers together as I did know better, but my aim was off a bit. Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Friday, July 12, 2013 - 08:47 pm:

Has anyone tried installing band linings using some type of adhesive? Was it successful ?

It would seem that if brakes linings are attached using adhesives, that it would work for band linings too.

Jus' wonderin.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Wells on Saturday, July 13, 2013 - 09:33 am:

After using the end grain of a 2x4 to get it started, I lay the round end of a quarter inch socket extension on top of rivet points and strike that with a hammer to spread them evenly. I finish it off with the ball end of the hammer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Aldrich Orting Wa on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 05:28 pm:

I use the band lining rivet pliers found here http://www.modeltford.com/item/3422RST.aspx

I poke a hole in the lining using an awl, stick the rivet through the band and lining, grab the rivet with the rivet pliers, stick the plier "jaws" in a vise and tighten the vise until the rivet is set.

Pretty painless.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Conger on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - 12:31 pm:

As mentioned by others, pre-forming two holes with an awl works very well to get the tines through the band. The nicest installations are accomplished using a press for tubular or split rivets. It results in deeply clinched rivets where the tangs are recurved back into the material...this avoids the stresses associated with a sharp bend and keeps the tangs deep in the friction material, away from the drums for years. Of course, I'm biased toward this method, as it's the one I use. A decent press can often be found reasonably at most large antique auto flea markets.


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