Would that be the Toluca Lake in/near Los Angeles?
I think so.
Can anyone decipher what is on the side of the Ford?
Remember the Coyote T bucket from the Mexican Road Races of the early 1950's?
Can anyone research the license on the other car?
I think it is right for the 1912 era.
I would say that if it is 1912 it is too early for an old Ford to be made into a speedster and that the car might be an official race car.
What do you think? Time for Rob to research some old newspaper articles from 1912?
Ponderosa pines in the San Fernando valley? Mighty unlikely. I think it's either mislabeled or a different Toluca Lake.
There was some Ponderosas planted in large numbers in the late 1800's by a wealthy landowner Charles Forman who owned the Toluca Lake area. He was one of the richest men around and he came from Nevada and wanted trees like back home if I remember. Maybe its the same area, but who knows. Looks like a sizable forest in the background so maybe not.
The only other Toluca I know is the capitol of the State of Mexico, some 50 miles west of Mexico City.
1911 or early '12 T. Front axle is not '09 or '10. I don't know sidelamps well enough to speculate from them. Firewall looks to be standard early style. The seat is lowered and tilted back. Gasoline tank must have been moved to behind the seat.
The other car's license plate is a standard "pre-porcelain" metal-numbers-on-leather plate. Califunny used those through 1913. Some states ended them earlier. It does not look to be CAL on the end, I enlarged the picture till fuzzy and could not tell more than that.
Great photo! Thanks Herb!
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
I was about to talk about the trees also. Certainly not there now, my son lives over there. Looks more like Big Bear area.
Wayne here is an enlarged shot of the other car:
And here is a 1911 California plate:
I would have to say that this is in California
Growing up in The Valley, I never saw trees like those pine.
I think it is Big Bear, That is where my mom said I was conceived.
Lake Hollywood is 4 miles away from Toluca Lake, and there are Ponderosas growing there.
Thanks for the picture.
I was just being silly as opposed to offering a sincere opinion.
Norm Kling's family had been close by in that area. He may have may have some input.
I also seem to remember Bob Hope had a home in Toluca Lake.
That doesn't look like the "CAL" I have seen before, but I would say you are correct! The plate you show looks like the one on the car in the photo.
I know there is a fellow reproducing the leather plates. I may have contact info for him if I could find it. It would be nice to read more about the history of these plates and see more good photos of them.
Thanks again, Herb!
67128 was issued mid March 1912
The car on the left is a Warren Detroit.
I thought 42,XXX to 61784 was 1910 and 61,7XX to 90660 was 1912? Yes these are for sure California plates.