1912 Toluca lake race cars -Photo one is a Ford

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Tuesday, July 02, 2013 - 08:39 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Tuesday, July 02, 2013 - 08:50 pm:

Would that be the Toluca Lake in/near Los Angeles?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Tuesday, July 02, 2013 - 08:56 pm:

I think so.
Can anyone decipher what is on the side of the Ford?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Tuesday, July 02, 2013 - 09:02 pm:

Coyote

Remember the Coyote T bucket from the Mexican Road Races of the early 1950's?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Tuesday, July 02, 2013 - 09:10 pm:

Can anyone research the license on the other car?
I think it is right for the 1912 era.
I would say that if it is 1912 it is too early for an old Ford to be made into a speedster and that the car might be an official race car.
What do you think? Time for Rob to research some old newspaper articles from 1912?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Tuesday, July 02, 2013 - 09:33 pm:

Ponderosa pines in the San Fernando valley? Mighty unlikely. I think it's either mislabeled or a different Toluca Lake.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Tuesday, July 02, 2013 - 09:46 pm:

There was some Ponderosas planted in large numbers in the late 1800's by a wealthy landowner Charles Forman who owned the Toluca Lake area. He was one of the richest men around and he came from Nevada and wanted trees like back home if I remember. Maybe its the same area, but who knows. Looks like a sizable forest in the background so maybe not.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Tuesday, July 02, 2013 - 10:37 pm:

The only other Toluca I know is the capitol of the State of Mexico, some 50 miles west of Mexico City.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Tuesday, July 02, 2013 - 10:57 pm:

1911 or early '12 T. Front axle is not '09 or '10. I don't know sidelamps well enough to speculate from them. Firewall looks to be standard early style. The seat is lowered and tilted back. Gasoline tank must have been moved to behind the seat.
The other car's license plate is a standard "pre-porcelain" metal-numbers-on-leather plate. Califunny used those through 1913. Some states ended them earlier. It does not look to be CAL on the end, I enlarged the picture till fuzzy and could not tell more than that.
Great photo! Thanks Herb!
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Clipner-Los Angeles on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 02:03 am:

I was about to talk about the trees also. Certainly not there now, my son lives over there. Looks more like Big Bear area.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 11:29 am:

Wayne here is an enlarged shot of the other car:

And here is a 1911 California plate:
I would have to say that this is in California
(most likely)
Herb


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kirk Peterson on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 02:03 pm:

Growing up in The Valley, I never saw trees like those pine.
I think it is Big Bear, That is where my mom said I was conceived.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 02:29 pm:

Lake Hollywood is 4 miles away from Toluca Lake, and there are Ponderosas growing there.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kirk Peterson on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 02:42 pm:

Ed
Thanks for the picture.
I was just being silly as opposed to offering a sincere opinion.
Norm Kling's family had been close by in that area. He may have may have some input.
I also seem to remember Bob Hope had a home in Toluca Lake.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 03:07 pm:

Herb,
That doesn't look like the "CAL" I have seen before, but I would say you are correct! The plate you show looks like the one on the car in the photo.
I know there is a fellow reproducing the leather plates. I may have contact info for him if I could find it. It would be nice to read more about the history of these plates and see more good photos of them.
Thanks again, Herb!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Layden Butler on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 03:47 pm:

67128 was issued mid March 1912


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Woolf on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 08:01 pm:

The car on the left is a Warren Detroit.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 09:22 pm:

I thought 42,XXX to 61784 was 1910 and 61,7XX to 90660 was 1912? Yes these are for sure California plates.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 09:54 pm:

http://www.leatherplates.com


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