Can anyone identify this part?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeremy on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 08:29 pm:

I'm new here and was hoping someone could tell me what part this object is from:

Thanks,

Jeremy

Unknown Part


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dale Peterson on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 09:03 pm:

Step back two paces and take another picture.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeremy on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 09:08 pm:

In terms of the item I am attempting to identify it is part of an arbitrary device, however here is the photo anyway.
(It is not a Model T, but composed of some Model T parts in a different order).

Any ideas what it could be? (The part, not the overall device)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 09:16 pm:

On the bottom, you have what looks like 5 stacks of model T magneto coils. In the center is what looks like a T transmission shaft and a Model T brake drum. I don't know what the other parts are.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Greg Whaley, Georgetown Ontario Canada on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 09:35 pm:

The part that you have outlined in the first picture looks like a home made clevis


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 09:45 pm:

It looks like a home made concentric. The whole rig may be some idea of a generator?? At any rate,I think there is a roller type mechanism missing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 09:52 pm:

It is a part of a rusty Merry Go Round from the meaning of life. You have to ride all of the horses and even have to sit in that damned chair that just sits still, does not go up and down, and only go around and around. But remember, you have to ride the Lion.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeremy on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 09:54 pm:

The device is an electric generator with alternating magnet polarities.
That part could be home made, thanks.

Any ideas on the handle?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 09:58 pm:

S0 is the white stuff encasing the unit cement??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeremy on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 10:17 pm:

The white stuff is cement, holding the magnets together. It uses 120 (24 x 5) V magnets from the magneto.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 10:35 pm:

The shaft of the crank handle is a kingpin. Don't know what the sleeve is made out of - could be any old pipe or conduit.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan B on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 10:42 pm:

I don't know what it is, but it's going to cost a lot to have it shipped to the coilman to be rebuilt.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 10:56 pm:

Thanks for that!! LOL :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeremy on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 10:56 pm:

Hey Erik, that looks great. Thanks for that.

I wonder if it is a kingpin from a Model T.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dale Peterson on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 11:04 pm:

The "clevis like part" could be the pivot from a mechanical brake setup. My 19 Chalmers has a cross shaft with arms attached between brake pedal and shaft, and shaft to brake rods.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By charles kenneth gibbard. on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 11:17 pm:

Its a mixer for making modified bitumen,
out of unmodified bitumen.

I don't think I want to
sighn this.
kenny g.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 11:42 pm:

I'll bet the kingpin is from a Model T.

If you measure the length and diameter and tell us the size of the bolt head, we can definitely tell you if it is from a Model T. The castle nut at the bottom of the kingpin would also be Model T.

ALSO -

That is a Model T clutch drum that is connected to the shaft (same shaft as the clevis).

The object bolted to the side of the clutch drum appears to be a connecting rod cap. Not Model T, however...

I'm trying to figure out what those straps are from that make up the "clover leaf" around the top of the device.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeremy on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 11:48 pm:

Very good Erik.

I believe it is 5.5" total, and the bolt head is about 0.5".

I don't have this device on me now but I did take this handy photo. (It was hard to hold the measure perfectly but its better than nothing).

Do you think it is from a Model T?

and

Where can I get one? (could it possibly be called by another name?)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Friday, July 12, 2013 - 12:04 am:

The bolt in your picture is actually longer - it continues through the clevis and has a castle nut on the other end as seen in the other photo.

Looks like Model T to me. I'll have to measure one for you but it's getting late.

Junk Model T king pins should be readily available from your local Model T enthusiasts. Otherwise, brand new ones are available:

http://www.modeltford.com/item/2710SB.aspx

Are you trying to replicate this machine? Is it critical that all parts match exactly?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeremy on Friday, July 12, 2013 - 12:17 am:

Excellent, I will certainly look for some to purchase.

I look forward to hearing your measurements.

Yes I am attempting a replication, and it does need to match exactly. I have a lot of the parts already.

Here is another photo of the complete device.




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Grabowski on Friday, July 12, 2013 - 04:18 am:

Google coral castle generator to see the device


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Friday, July 12, 2013 - 06:18 am:

Looks like the T-parts generator device lacks stator windings to give any output?

For certain, Ed Leedskalnin was one of a kind :-)
His 1945 publication about magnets doesn't seem to make much sense? : http://www.leedskalnin.com/Leedskalnins-Writings-MAGNETIC-CURRENT.html , but he certainly knew how to move heavy stuff by himself - even though he was a small fellow of about 5 ft and 110 lbs he built and moved the impressive monument in stone that still stands as he left it in 1951 - the Coral Castle near Homestead, Fl.
coral castle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Friday, July 12, 2013 - 04:53 pm:

INTERESTING! I have never been there, but have known of Mr Leedskalnin and his castle for a long time.
I had never seen this thing before. However it just became more fascinating than it began in the opening post.
Knowing what little I know of the mysteries of that castle, makes me want to know more about what that thing was.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john kuehn on Friday, July 12, 2013 - 07:06 pm:

Jeremy,the part you have highlighted looks like some parts that are on some old turn of the century farm equipment. On our farm there are pieces on some of the horse drawn planters and plows that look almost exactly like that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By R. S. Cruickshank on Friday, July 12, 2013 - 08:25 pm:

It's obvious that it is an electromechanical transmission from a 1923 HENWAY. The give away was the picture showing the attachment to the crankshaft.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeremy on Friday, July 12, 2013 - 08:29 pm:

john, do you think there could be a chance they are the same part?
I'd love to get my hands on more information.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeremy on Friday, July 12, 2013 - 08:36 pm:

Thanks R. S. Cruickshank.

Do you have any more information or photos?

I'll see what I can find in any case.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John F. Regan on Friday, July 12, 2013 - 09:27 pm:

Jeremy:

You are supposed to ask "What is a HENWAY" and get the answer "about a pound and a half with feathers" or something equally funny.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john kuehn on Friday, July 12, 2013 - 09:39 pm:

I believe its a farm made device someone made for some type of farm use.
It could be someones long ago attempt to make a type of charger for the farm???


Model T parts and pieces were used to make all kind of homemade inventions.
This is definitely one of them. Now we have to figure out which invention!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin Vowell, Sylmar, CA on Friday, July 12, 2013 - 10:01 pm:

If that's the gadget from the Coral Castle, then that's the device he used to lift the massive blocks to make the castle (which he did all by his self, usually at night)...touted as some sort of "anti gravity" machine, the guts are missing though.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Friday, July 12, 2013 - 10:31 pm:

Generator


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin Vowell, Sylmar, CA on Saturday, July 13, 2013 - 04:15 am:

Yes, generator, that generated a field that encapsulates a defined area to neutralize the gravitational effects of mass...aka anti gravity, at least that's what it's supposed to be, what it actually is, I couldn't tell you.


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