Montana 500 Winner at the swap meet

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Clipner-Los Angeles on Saturday, July 13, 2013 - 08:51 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Clipner-Los Angeles on Saturday, July 13, 2013 - 09:04 pm:

Geez, I think my rascally son switched the N button with the M. I have to blame someone, I'm not going to admit it !! lol


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kerry van Ekeren (Australia) on Saturday, July 13, 2013 - 09:15 pm:

Impressive!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Pawelek Brookshire, Texas on Saturday, July 13, 2013 - 09:40 pm:

Could someone trace the red wire for me? :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred McDonald on Saturday, July 13, 2013 - 10:26 pm:

George: Did you actually hit 70 mph? My speedster will do that but it's not a stock motor either. Can you let us know what type of modifications you made to it? Thanks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bernard Paulsen, San Buenaventura, Calif on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 02:15 am:

What a treat!
Love the patina on that car. And that dashboard . . . . mutha of god . . .


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Clipner-Los Angeles on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 04:10 am:

Fred, it's not my car, it belongs to Garret Green.
I get sphincter trouble if I get near 50.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Clipner-Los Angeles on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 04:15 am:

Fred, also the only mods were what allowed in the rules. You'd have to check with Garret , there are also improvements listed at the Montana 500 site.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Deichmann, Blistrup, Denmark on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 04:17 am:

I assume 2 of the dials are the era GPS - one displays the lattitude and the other the longitude. My question is which two? <big>


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Clipner-Los Angeles on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 04:21 am:

Micheal, did you see the compass on the choke rod for redundancy ? :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garnet on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 07:55 am:

What's the c-clamp for? Don't recall seeing that in the Ford parts list ...

Garnet


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Putnam, Bluffton, Ohio on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 09:26 am:

I don't see the gauge for air speed (grin)!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donald Vagasky,Tucson on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 10:14 am:

The tooth pics JB welded to the oil breather cap got me stumped.........and what no fan ????


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 10:33 am:

Nice Dash. Which ones the Flux Capacitor?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald-Federal Way, Wa. on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 11:13 am:

I know that our leaders ( in DC ) don't know the meaning of illegal, now I don't think I understand the meaning of stock.

Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 11:31 am:

Unless you do parades or are stopped in traffic more than five minutes at a time, your T doesn't need a fan. Gave mine up years ago, after reading here that Tom Carnegie doesn't run one.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 11:54 am:

Jack, Garrett took off his air speed indicator before the run. Ostensibly because it caused wind drag. No kidding.

Bob, we have been trying to pin down the meaning of "stock" at the Montana 500 for 50 plus years. That is just the problem. Everyone has a different definition of "stock". So, we compromise one way or the other and no one is happy, as is the case with most all compromises, but it is about as good as we can make it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 11:59 am:

Tom, the true definition of stock is following the subjective arbitrary rules set up by a committee to the letter of their decisions.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 12:02 pm:

Bingo! Frank. Perfectly stated. Thank-you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Horlick in Penn Valley, CA on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 12:28 pm:

Are the Tach, vacuum gauges, fuel mixture read out, and whatever that guage in the center is all stock? The gearshift is ok if it is disabled. Stock is whatever you can get by the inspections and teardown. No original cars were ever blueprinted, or balanced as carefully as a MT500.

It seems that the top contenders keep a lot under their hats to stay competetive. Still what they are able to do with these cars, and the fun they have is impressive.

It would be nice to hear a bit more about what was done under the hood if Garrett is willing to share!

IMHO, TH


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald-Federal Way, Wa. on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 12:35 pm:

Tom
I will be in your area the weekend of July 28-29 give or take a couple of days. If your going to be around PM me a phone no. and if time allows I'll stop by. Or any one else
over there.

Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 12:40 pm:

Garrett lurks here, but hasn't uncloaked.

I suspect a lot of that trash is to distract you from what he doesn't want you to see. No, I don't know what that might be.

He won last year, too, but was disqualified for having modern axle bearings or something.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 12:50 pm:

Terry, the subjective arbitrary rules set up by the Montana 500 committee say that "gauges are optional", so yes, for Montana 500 purposes, they are stock.

Garrett does not share speed secrets. He won't even say what the tooth picks on his breather are for. By the way, his breather is not allowed as far as I can see in the rules, but is over-looked presumably because it offers no significant speed or endurance advantage.

I have written many articles for the Montana 500 newsletter that are online http://antiqueautoranch.com/montana500/newslett.html that give a lot of clues as to what I do.

Bob, I hope to see you. My number is 535-7789 area code five oh nine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 12:58 pm:

Ralph, Garrett has come in first twice and allowed to win both times. He was disqualified in 2009 when he came in second for having Timken tapered bearings in his rear axle which are specifically not allowed. This year he ground on the ports of his intake manifold, which is also specifically disallowed, but the tear-down inspectors let it slide.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 01:02 pm:

It would be interesting to know what all the gauges are.

On the column I would guess an Exhaust Gas Temp

Two Vacuum gauges on the face of the dash

On the bottom of the dash L to R, maybe an engine temp, ? and voltmeter.

Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Carl Sorenson-Lake Arrowhead,CA on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 10:34 pm:

If you have a chance,,,ask Garrit about his Tach.....He told me he put a styrofoam cup on it so he couldn't read it...He got scared seeing the RPM he was spinnin'.....he is a great person to talk to about Model Ts........


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Derek Kiefer - Mantorville, MN on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 10:55 pm:

I'd guess the digital gauge on the right is a air/fuel gauge hooked to a wide-band Oxygen sensor.


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