'24 Brake band replacing

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2013: '24 Brake band replacing
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Gotesman on Monday, July 22, 2013 - 05:23 am:

Good day!
I have a new problem: very weak brakes. And adjusting rod is quite finished - so I need to replace brake drum band.
Is there any illustrated detailed instruction - how to replace it?
Do I need to remove all three bands, or I can replace only brake one?
Please help - my friend has wedding in Friday, and I haven't brakes... :-(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Monday, July 22, 2013 - 07:12 am:

The brake band is the rear one. To replace it without removing the hogshead you have to remove the other two bands first. It's not easy.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andre Valkenaers on Monday, July 22, 2013 - 07:53 am:

Michael,
Can you prepare one band before starting the disassemble?? If so, make one (best three) and put it in oil so it can take the oil.
For doing the change without taking the hoghead off you need to have bands with detachable ears.

Take off the inspection cover and take out the brake and reverse pedal with the shafts. If the low speed pedal has the shaft through the hoghead you need to take it out also. There for you need to take out the pin in the slow speed notch. If the shaft goes half the way just take out the spring and the low speed adjustment screw. Take of the detachable ears.
Start to take out the bands by the reverse band and slide each band to the reverse place.
The reassemble goes the other way. First the brake than the slow and than the reverse band. For the reassemble there is a tool T-3413-BT but it can be done without the tool. I always put the detachable ears at the pedal side. You can slide the attached ear side into the transmission for about 10cm so it is easy to attache the other ear. You just need a hook to fish up the other side in the transmission and mount the pedals.
After all is back together you will need a drive to make the band to set down and to be readjusted.

Good luck
Andre
Belgium


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Gotesman on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 02:42 am:

Andre, thank You very much! And how can I fin out, that I have bands with detachable ears? How the ears mounts to band? With screws or rivets? Is it really possible to assemble band with ears inside the transmission case?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Gotesman on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 02:43 am:

find out, of course)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 03:40 am:

If they are removable you might be able to see a rivet or 2 holding the ears on. But if the ears have a groove under the rivet and the groove opens up to a hole just big enough for the rivet to go through they are likely removable. Look near the very end of the band where the ear ends and there should be a tiny slot for a screw driver to push the ear far enough for the rivets to line up with the holes big enough for their removal. The ears might spring off if you do this.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Gotesman on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 04:37 am:

Hope they are detachable...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andre Valkenaers on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 04:46 am:

Thanks Kep

Good luck Michael


Andre
Belgium


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Gotesman on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 04:49 am:

So, it is quite difficult operation - so I'll try to tighten the transmission brake and to fix handbrake - it is also very weak - because I have low time... Next week I think will be able to try to change bands.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andre Valkenaers on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 05:02 am:

Michael,

In the photo you see the two kinds of detachable ears the slot on the narrow bands and the rivets on the brake .

Take care

Andre
belgium


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Gotesman on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 05:26 am:

Oh. I thought that brake band is similar as others... I think that I havent spare one...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andre Valkenaers on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 06:04 am:

This is a 1926/27 transmission. The early ones are all the same.

Andre
Belgium


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Gotesman on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 06:06 am:

I got it :-) Thank You. I found video on Youtube about band replacement. The main thing - is not to lose some small parts in the cover :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 08:26 am:






Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Gotesman on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 01:19 am:

Thanks) I have detachable type bands on the car, but no spare. May be You know where can i buy 3 spare? I watched on ebay, but they are in poor condition...
Now I am going to buy kevlar lining - is it easy to rivet them to bands?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 01:38 am:

Yes. If you don't have the MTFCA transmission book, get that too.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 03:45 am:

If you have linings you do not need a spare band, at least for the cotton type. It only takes 15 minutes to replace the cotton type.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ake Osterdahl on Thursday, July 25, 2013 - 12:51 am:

Is there anyone who rebuilt the old transmission band to the new type with detachable ear.
Would be interesting to see the results and the solution to this.
Ake


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter Kable on Thursday, July 25, 2013 - 02:31 am:

Ake,
It would not be that hard to convert a normal band to a detachable one. If you remove one of the ears you could weld strips to the band and slot the ear if you can't find an original one. I have access to a good welder who can do this type of work, you should be able to find a mechanical person to also do it if you don't have the equipment.

There is always lots of possible answers, A spare band already lined as a back up in your tool kit would be an advantage.

One doesn't always run out of band at or near home or close to any place where you may be able to easily change or replace a band or reline it on the spot.

Often you can be miles from anywhere, by your self in a place unsafe to work on the car or have a Model T which is a real pain to work on ( I would hate to have to replace a band on a centre door on the side of the road.)

This is what I did to make band changing easy. Its a RHD version of a Model T accessory hogs head. As I had added a starter motor hogs head also as my T is hard to work on because of the body design doing this also made sense to me.

Undo 7 bolts and you can remove all the pedals in a few minutes. You do not disturb the hogshead, the pedals and the cut out piece are light, all the shafts come away from over the bands and any one can be replaced in a few seconds. Putting the piece back is easy as you just drop the shafts back into the grooves of the bands and refit the bolts.

I only did it once on a 1600km trip and it was an easy 15 -20 minute job.

hogs01
hogs02


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Milton,WA on Thursday, July 25, 2013 - 10:11 am:

Very interesting, Peter - I have a HUDCO cover for the standard LHD that I intend on installing in our '19 Centerdoor for the same reasons you mentioned above - thanks for showing us the photos !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald-Federal Way, Wa. on Thursday, July 25, 2013 - 12:18 pm:

I have that type of hogshead (LHD) on my Snow Bird I just need to put the after market left door on the roadster and band replacement would be easy. Then I would have three accessories on it.

Bob


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