Shock absorber decal (part two)

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Monday, July 22, 2013 - 04:46 pm:

How hard would it be to Photoshop this so a new decal could be printed? Are fonts available that match the writing? I suppose "Patent Pending" could be substituted for the unknown patent dates.

Thanks for all the input and help on this so far.
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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 12:12 am:

Not really hard, but I no longer can access my photoshop program (something didn't transfer when I upgraded my computer--so here's what I did with a little time with Microsoft Paint, which most everyone has with their computer! Not great, but I think it's looking better.
partial fix


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 01:00 pm:

I tried with paint.net, but I'm not a good enough artist. I thought about taking the print ad and filling it with color, but the size doesn't quite match.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. J. "Art" Bell on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 03:13 pm:

Hi Tom

Perhaps if you can take a photo without a reflective light source and
using the macro setting as well holding the camera square to the label
surface would give someone a better chance to rebuild your label.
Natural light is always best and using your camera's macro (no zoom)
will let you focus down to about 8” (if needed) from the label surface.
The curved surface makes it a little harder to get a true flat image,
but those who are more experienced with Photoshop type software
can likely fix that.
I have 4 patent dates for shocks but cannot see what’s left
of the patent dates in your photo well enough to confirm them.

I’m having some vision problems, but it looks like . . .
FEB . . . . . . . . .
JUN . . . . . . . . 1
NOV . . . . . . . . 2

I have Issue Dates for shock patents by Edward Leinbach for the following dates . . .

Feb 28, 1922
June 17, 1924 (assigned to George Gilman)
Dec 8, 1925
July 19, 1927

It could be that they also acquired a similar patent from another inventor,
or a Burd Piston Ring Co. principle held one.

Regards
Art


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 05:41 pm:

With a little digging you can probably get the U.S. patent numbers. I think you can make the artwork from scratch using Powerpoint 2007 or later. I don't have photoshop but using Powerpoint and Excel I have constructed Flyers and Banners up to 18" x 8 ft.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 06:26 pm:

Not the exact fonts but this comes close to the ad version. If you can pin down the patent dates, I can add those.




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 07:02 pm:

Forgot to mention: Can you provide the dimensions of the original decal? Include the black border in the measurements.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephen D Heatherly on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 07:08 pm:

Is anybody using these? How well do they work?

Thanks,
Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin Vowell, Sylmar, CA on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 07:41 pm:

That's the problem, the fonts are hand laid fonts, you'd have to do it exactly the way they did to get it right.



This is closer, but I'm afraid I can't read those patent dates. You might have to settle for the later ones.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin Vowell, Sylmar, CA on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 07:50 pm:

Sorry, didn't allow for the curvature...this is what it should look like.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 07:56 pm:

Martin I believe it is Gilman


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 08:02 pm:

Also there is a way to make water transfer decals on an office printer at home. You need the correct paper to do it though.
Try this site I found doing a search for water transfer decal paper:

http://www.decalpaper.com/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 08:02 pm:

Herb is correct. It's Gilman instead of Oilman.

I suspect the printer took liberties with the printed ad font. I like yours better Martin.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 08:07 pm:

That makes sense, I wondered about "oilman"! Martin, that looks great. A little more historical digging should come up with the patent dates. Then you just need the blue background and the black edge.
I knew someone with good software could do it--I just wanted to show that it could be 'sorta' done with cheap software! :-)
T'
David D.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 08:09 pm:

I have the clear decal paper but the colors always seem washed out. It hard to get the rich colors and opaque colors are impossible with a PC printer unless it's printed on a white decal.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. J. "Art" Bell on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 11:03 pm:

Dam , , , , , , Wish I’d know the pro’ s were working on this !
I’d have played free cell instead <@^@>
Nice work guys !!!



Regards
Art


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 01:04 am:

Wow, I'm impressed. The label measures 2 1/2" X 11/16". I cannot read the patent dates on the two shocks I have with dates. The other two just say "PATENT PENDING" as seen in this thread:

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/374914.html?1374328156


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin Vowell, Sylmar, CA on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 05:39 am:

Ok, Gilman and easy fix...then I guess those patent dates that Art had are the correct ones.

Hows this...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 09:42 am:

Martin, you are amazing. The only thing I see different is the oval in the "R" has square corners on the left hand side of the original. The third patent date appears to be Nov something 1922.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. J. "Art" Bell on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 11:05 am:

Hi Tom

Well I have done a more thorough search for patents
that may be involved with the label dates, and cannot
find one issued for the suspected “Nov _ _ , _ _ _ 2” date.

Here is a list of all shock related patents that I found that were issued to Leinbech.
Not all are for your shocks and only one was assigned to Gilman . . .

E. L. Leinbach
Chicago, Illinois
Anchoring or Fastening Device for Cable Ends
Patent number: 1408212
Filing date: May 4, 1921
Issue date: Feb 28, 1922
http://tinyurl.com/k52fk7b

E. L. Leinbach
Chicago, Illinois
Assignor to George F. Gilman
Chicago, Illinois
Shock Absorber
Patent number: 1498284
Filing date: Mar 10, 1919
Issue date: Jun 17, 1924
http://tinyurl.com/jwapgcu

E. L. Leinbach
Chicago, Illinois
Shock Absorber
Patent number: 1564865
Filing date: Feb 7, 1925
Issue date: Dec 8, 1925
http://tinyurl.com/m324cmf

E. L. Leinbach
Chicago, Illinois
Shock Absorber
Patent number: 1636005
Filing date: July 19, 1927
Issue date: July 19, 1927
http://tinyurl.com/ld5jkw2

E. L. Leinbach
Chicago, Illinois
Shock Absorber
Patent number: 1656641
Filing date: Oct 4, 1926
Issue date: Jan 17, 1928
http://tinyurl.com/kp38obl

Edward L. Leinbach
Chicago, Illinois
Gladys Leinbach Executrix of said Edward L. Leinbach, Deceased
Means for Equalizing and Controlling Shock Absorbers
Patent number: 1833681
Filing date: Jan 20, 1930
Issue date: Nov 24, 1931
http://tinyurl.com/myzuede

Edward L. Leinbach
Chicago, Illinois
Gladys Leinbach Executrix of said Edward L. Leinbach, Deceased
Shock Absorber
Patent number: 1844326
Filing date: Sept 12, 1928
Issue date: Feb 9. 1932
http://tinyurl.com/n438yho

Regards
Art
Ps. is the dimension for height you posted 2 ½ x 11/16” or 1 1/16” ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 11:51 am:

Tom,

Looks like you've received on some first class artwork.

Ted


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 12:41 pm:

Ted, amen!

Art, It is 2 1/2" X 11/16"

Also, I am fairly sure the patent date is NOV something 1922, as these shocks are surely older than 1932. The patent must be assigned to someone else. I tried to look at all of the patents issued for Nov of 1922, but couldn't figure out how to do it.

Thanks, forum for all of the wonderful help on this. I am fairly sure that T shocks didn't have decals, but I think they would look cool just the same.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. J. "Art" Bell on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 02:13 pm:

Hi Tom

Re: "I tried to look at all of the patents issued for Nov of 1922, but couldn't figure out how to do it"

There are only 4 possible November 1922 issue dates, the 7, 14, 21 and 28th (Tuesdays)
BUT using the USPTO’s “Quick Search shows . . .
There were 806 patents issued on Nov 7th
There were 785 patents issued on Nov 14th
There were 751 patents issued on Nov 21st
There were 763 patents issued on Nov 28th
However adding the ‘Current U.S. Classification’ - “267/199” (from patent # 1498284)
to the search criteria indicates non of those patents covered an invention in that class.
But sometimes the slightest change to a design (or the whim of the examiner) can change
that class slightly, so you would have to view each patent to be sure.
Here is what that list would look like . . http://tinyurl.com/kc26v9x

Regards
Art


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Martin Vowell, Sylmar, CA on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 09:56 pm:

Tom, I saw that from your picture too, but since nobody seemed to come up with that date I used the ones Art came up with.

As for the oval in the "R", simple fix, but it was really hard to see with the flash glare right there.

Soooo, how about we just pick that last date that Art has listed here "Nov 28, and then slap the 1922 on it...would that work for you?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 11:25 pm:

Martin, that is perfect!


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