Sun visor metal or vinyl?

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2013: Sun visor metal or vinyl?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ake Osterdahl on Monday, July 22, 2013 - 11:33 pm:

My Coupelet's sunvisor - someone has screwed a plate on.
These should be well covered with roof material ... or?
Does anyone have a good picture of this would be interesting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Monday, July 22, 2013 - 11:45 pm:

One of our club members has a green plexiglass sun visor on his 25 Fordor. It makes it much easier to see overhead signal lights. A transparent green panel in my 24 touring would sure be handy for the same reason but its too late for that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Page on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 12:02 am:

Ake,

The picture you have posted appears to be the 1923 -1925 version. This type of visor was first introduced on the first of the Fordor Sedans 1923 and later on both the Tudor and Coupe bodies 1924 - 1925.
Here is a couple of pictures of the Visor on our 1924 Fordor Sedan.

Regards, John




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 02:57 am:

Tough to tell from the picture, John P, but I don't think Ake's visor looks quite like your sedan's or my coupe's.
Ake is much more the expert on early coupes than I. However a quick Google search would indicate that the '17 to 19 coupes mostly did not have visors over the windshield. I do know for a fact that many after-market visors were offered. I have seen quite a few of the tinted glass ones and think one would look good on his car. I also think the early coupes look good without the visors.
Like the back of the roof on his coupe. Since his is one of VERY few anywhere near where he is, it may not so much matter how he chooses to restore it. I know several original era photos have been posted on the forum over the past few years. Finding them could be time consuming. I am still looking for two speedster photos that I know were posted here, and probably have nearly twenty hours in the search so far. So I know of whence I speak.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Page on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 04:21 am:

Wayne,

Yes I agree it is hard to tell from the picture that Ake has posted.

I also agree that the earlier than 1923 cars would have had to have been fitted with (After Market) visors as Ford did not fit them prior to 1923. Here is a picture taken at a Ford Dealers premises, prior to the introduction of the later style Coupes. Regards, John


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 04:41 am:

John P,
That is a nice photo of some coupes. In a book?
All of them have several accessories. All three have visors, they look like nice ones. I see bumpers, motometers, spotlights, there must be more?
Great photo, thanks for sharing it.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ake Osterdahl on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 02:19 pm:

Hello and thank you
... I got the sun visor to my Coupelet but am not sure if I should mount it on. But any previously installed sheet metal on it. I think it looks and is wrong, then it becomes very heavy.
My songs similar to exactly what you are John shows your pictures, thanks for the picture.
And thank you Wayne for your expertise and help.
Ake


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ake Osterdahl on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 02:46 pm:

John, have you sewn with sewing machine I have my own sewing machine.
Very neat job looks like a professional job.
Very neat. And fine interesting picture of coupes.
And thank you Wayne for your posts.
I also try to look for old posts on the forum.

Today I took my sewing machine and sewed the dash.
The early Coupelet cars had this.

Ake


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Page on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 06:34 pm:

Ake,

I hand stitched the visor. I think you would need a sewing machine that was set up to be able to reach the awkward areas that is required to accomplish the stitching on the visors. I am sure there are machines that will do the job, but 25 years ago when I did our Visor I didn't have access to one.

I have just recently documented the restoration of our Fordor. Here is the page that covers the restoration of the visor.

Best regards, John


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 10:36 pm:

Ake,
Very nice work for inside the cowling (I wonder how your translation handles "cowling"?).

John P,
Your visor looks fantastic! The top on my '24 coupe has been replaced, however, I haven't decided whether I think the visor is original or not. It does not quite match the top, and has been painted over. It looks a lot like yours, but not nearly as nice.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Page on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 11:04 pm:

Wayne,
Thank you for the compliments on the visor. I am sure if you are able to post a picture of your visor someone here will identify if it has the original cover. I have posted a link to a previous discussion in which Dave Sosnoski goes into some detail on the materials used for the Top and Visors.
Best regards, John

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/118802/162471.html?1286047221


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 11:22 pm:

There are people who sew patent leather onto buggy and early automobile fender and dashboard frames. They can also sew leatherette onto visors.

To expand on what Wayne said, they have 100+ year old commercial sewing machines manufactured specifically for this type of work. The walking foot of this type sewing machine is designed to ride the profile of the iron frame so the stitches can be made very close to the frame. When finished, everything is nice and tight.

Below are before and after shots of one of the fenders on my dad's Waverley Electric - patent leather over oval-iron frames. The sewing was done on one of the special machines designed for this purpose. The leather is glued prior to the sewing.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 11:41 pm:

Whoops - I should have typed "To expand on what John Page said" not "Wayne."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ake Osterdahl on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 12:09 am:

Thank you all, as I have learned, fun to live John.
Awesome nice job Eric, on patent leather onto the buggy.
I translate handles cowling to swedish: "handtag huv". Did I understand you correctly Wayne?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 02:08 am:

John Page,
Thank you very much for posting the link to the earlier thread. I remembered having read that, but it was about a year before I got my coupe and had not seen it since. It is in my personal research bookmarks now.

Erik J
Beautiful work on the Waverley!

Ake,
First, my apologies for the thread drift. We '24/'25 Coupe owners seem to be hogging your '17/'19 coupe thread.

Okay now. Linguistics is a subject that I have always enjoyed. I am not very good at it, but try to think "translate" when I write if I know there is a language change. BUT I SURE BLEW THAT ONE! (I probably blew it on "blew" also) I tried to Google "handtag huv", however I didn't find anything in trying to translate it back. So I am not sure.
The "cowl" in American English refers to the front of the body, below and ahead of the windshield, however behind the hood (for Americans) or bonnet (for the rest of the English speaking world). Given the number of automobile words that are different between American English, the King's English, and variants around other parts of the world, I was wondering how the word "cowl" would translate. I was attempting to compliment your work on the inside of the cowl in your picture. It looks very nice.
The word "handle" was a poor choice in a sentence that could have been easily structured better for translation.
I should have simply said "I wonder how the word "cowl" will translate"? To say "How the translation will "handle" something" is confusing to translators, both human and automatic, because the word "handle" is usually a noun. The way I used it in the first sentence is as a verb, and its use is somewhat of a colloquialism. It is not proper English, American or otherwise.
Again, my apologies. This time, for being confusing. Now THAT, I can be effective at.
DRive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Eagle Ida Fls on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 09:07 am:



I believe this is a frame for an accessory visor like the ones on the 3 coupes above. It has some bits of the green? plexiglass left. They must have been a popular accessory. There was one on a Touring car in a picture posted a few days back. I hope to find a suitable green plastic and put it on one of my T's
Rich

Fun to see all the pictures on this thread.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Page on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 04:33 pm:

Thank you Richard. Nice to see your picture. Best regards, John


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ake Osterdahl on Friday, August 02, 2013 - 04:03 pm:

Thanks Wayne, i understand you.
and Richard nice frame intrested acessory.
Thanks for that.


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