Hi Guys! Haven't posted in a long time so I hope all is well.
As many of you know I've sold a couple cars through the MTFCA discussion board. Most recently I found a great home for my fathers 1909 Model T with Steve Redelman, great guy.
I'm now selling my fathers favorite car, a beautiful 1911 Ford Model T Torpedo for $40,000 or best offer. My mother and father brought this car back from NY in the late 80's.
More photos can be found at:
To catch some of you up to speed, I've come into the Model T world by the misfortune of loosing my father three years ago. This model T has a beautiful paint job and has been upgraded with the a speedo, more details to come soon. I'm selling this car to help finish the beautiful victorian that my father left half finished.
I've been told that most everything is original, but I'm sure some of you will post questions and concerns about certain things not being original. That is fine and I'll answer all questions and update this forum as we move forward with this process.
I'll be with the car on Sunday and will be able to take more photos and answer questions then. Please email me at email@example.com with questions, and offers. I'll post a photo of the engine number on Sunday.
My phone number is 415-250-2063, I work a normal 8-6pm PST job so please call me after work.
Thanks for your time and I hope to find another good home for this wonderful car.
Looks pretty good in the one picture here. The photobucket pics appear to be low resolution thumbnails. Perhaps you could try taking another set of pictures at a higher resolution. The current set is not too useful.
With a car of this value anyone interested would need to know the following:
What is the serial number.
What is the casting date on the engine block.
What is the casting date on the cylinder head.
You could answer these questions with decent pictures too.
I was under the impression that all 1911 Torpedos were painted in a very dark blue over a black undercoat coat. If something so utterly important is wrong, then $40K sounds like wishful thinking to me.
Don't shoot the messenger.
So Bernard, you always start low when selling and negotiating upward?
Noah did state or "best offer"
Bernard, is there ANYthing related to Model T's that is EVERY or ALL? For every "rule" about this part or that part or whatever the only real rule is how many exceptions have been documented.
Royce, if you click on the thumbnails, they all blow up as big as the picture you see here. I don't have $$$ to play, but from what I can see in all the pics, $35K+ doesn't seem unreasonable for this car.
I'm sorry about your losing your Dad; I lost mine in May of 2012 and I will always miss him.
Your restoring your Dad's Victorian will be a wonderful tribute to him; it seems you two shared the the love of this hobby.
In listening to the many friends I've made in this hobby, a car's as-originally-manufactured accuracy in it's detail frequently influences perceived value and ultimate price. With any collector car, regardless of it's condition, I believe there are few ways to determine it's "value"; one is what a bank will loan on it as collateral, another is what an insurance policy will actually pay out for total loss. The last is when the amount the actual buyer will pay and what the seller will accept are the same number.
With that said, and I want to tread lightly here because this was your Dad's car, a way to determine the as-originally-manufactured-accuracy is by what trophy(ies) the car has won, and to a lesser extent, when. A number of years ago, my car was awarded a wonderful trophy. It was at my first tour this happened; until then, I hadn't met most of the people that have since become friends.
Next to mine, there was a car that I felt should've won this trophy instead of mine. A few nights later, I was genuinely surprised when my name was called as the winner.
As I walked up to the front of the room, the other car's owner stopped me on the way to say, hand extended, "Bill, congratulations!" As we shook hands, I said, "Thank you, but yours deserved it." He said, "No, it didn't; maybe next time. Go get that trophy!" Disappointed in not being the winner, this man showed real character by congratulating me. Although separated by hundreds of miles, he and his family are now friends of mine, which leads me to the point I wanted to make.
When I sat down, of course happy to have won this trophy, I was also sobered by the fact that others who wanted to win this trophy, didn't. I believe it was at this time that I realized I didn't want to do that again. I've shown many times at AACA events since then because AACA's point system allows multiple winners of the same level of award.
However, I haven't shown in a T club event since my car won that trophy because I'd rather be friends, not competitors. I have enough competition in my working life already; for me, T people are friends.
So, in answering my question about trophies, if your Dad's Torpedo won trophies that a T buyer will acknowledge as reinforcing the car's accuracy, great. If not, that's ok, too; just be ready for constructive critiquing.
Others may disagree; I believe, however, that the Torpedo is the most desired T (possibly rivaled by the same era's Town Car). Due to it's rarity and some parts not quite interchangeable with the rest of the T herd, looking up the judging guidelines may help you. I could be mistaken, but I think that there's a MTFCI chapter devoted to Torpedo's (it may be speedsters, though).
In any case Noah, you have a beautiful car.
I click on the thumbnails and they grow to the size of my thumb. They are small out of focus images, I suspect taken with a mobile phone set on low resolution?
In any case a nice car like that deserves a better set of images if you want to sell it soon and for top dollar.
Nice car beautiful.
And the photobucket images work for me perfect, just go to the center of the picture and left click and WOW they enlarge.
Pictures work for me as well....
Bernard...I don't care what color it is! I would welcome it into my garage if I had the money. Fortunately paint comes in many colors as do our choices...jus sayin...
No problems my end of the world, head gasket a little leaky but other wise a very nice T and photo's, can even read the serial # on the speedo.
Well Royce, guess you are frequently wrong .
Kerry, you remember the post?
Noah, beautiful car. And, sorry for your loss,
Rob, that I do, but he may be right, I do frequently get it wrong, get it wrong that he will learn from others knowledge!!
When I click on a picture I see a photo that's 1024x768 but I have the ram expansion pack in my C64 too !
This is a great looking 1911 Torpedo that you have. Your pictures look great on photo bucket they enlarge just fine. We are looking forward to driving the 1909 for my daughters wedding next month. Give me a call if I can be of any help. I just left a message on your phone, give me a call when you can.
When I right click on this image in Noah's link I get this link:
Image size is a tiny 240 X 180 pixels. What link are you guys getting for this image at 1024 X 768?? Do you guys have Photobucket accounts? I don't.
Click on the link in the very first post. Then click on the individual thumbnails. I just did it for my I phone. I don't have an account. Pics were sharp - I could easy read the speedometer.
I can't do it on my phone this week since I am in Montreal. Doing anything on the internet via my Blackberry here is freakishly expensive.
The speedometer is a little gold dot on the firewall in the image I get on the computer.
Someone mentioned right clicking. Don't do that. Just left click the thumbnails.
Here is a link to the speedometer. I left clicked the link in the first post, and then left clicked the thumbnail:
http://s1104.photobucket.com/user/Nhopton/media/1911%20Ford%20Torpedo/DSC01968.j pg.html?sort=3&o=5#/user/Nhopton/media/1911%20Ford%20Torpedo/DSC01968.jpg.html?s ort=3&o=5&_suid=13747583223000057552772608745806
Let me know if that helps. If it does,and you still cant see what you need, drop me a PM and I'll paste and copy all the links for you.
I left click on the link you gave me and it redirects to this Mobile Photobucket link:
Resolution is still tiny at 240 X 180 pixels, or in other words about 10.5K.
The only reason I right clicked was to see the image properties and address so I could describe the issue that anyone using a computer to see the images (rather than a smartphone or I - device) is experiencing.
That's pretty odd. I just PM'd you with the link to the full sized image of the speedo. See if that works..I'm on the way out the door and will be out of pocket for a couple of hours.
Let me know...
Got your PM. Much appreciated but doesn't change anything. Still only bite size images for the home computer or laptop user.
UPDATE ON HISTORY
Hi all, thanks for helping other people figure out how to view the photos in full resolution.
The 1911 torpedo body and engine have number 37776 and has a casting date of 12/2/10.
This car has only had three owners it's whole life. The second owner was William E. Bryant who purchased the car from it's original owner in the late 1970's and restored it in 1980 in Cayuga, New York. William took a great deal to record everything while he restored it.
I have a letter from William to Steve Hubert, the technical Editor of the MTFC dated Feb,22 1980 with questions and details to help him clarify if his car is "in all respects original and unrestored".
Also document are all of the receipts from when it was restored and correspondence from Steve Hubert back to William. Steve agrees with Steve about the authenticity of the car and all of the parts William had in question.
As requested I've uploaded a couple more photos of the engine, I've also uploaded photos of both letters.
Noah is a good guy ....
I met him and visited his home when I picked
up for Steve.
I imagine by now that the remodeling is done ?
Thanks for posting Noah !