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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 03:39 pm:

Text from Gene:

Touring in a wreck today.
Airlifted.
Maybe flat tire or lost wheel.

He didn't say who. Let's hope for the best.

Received at noon, PST.

Be careful ya' hear?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 04:07 pm:

Pray for the best for those involved in the accident today on our last day of a wonderful week of touring. Everyone here is in shock, I'm sure. Tonight is our final banquet dinner so I'm sure we'll have more info about who and how they're doing.

I don't have any other info than the road was closed on our way back from Zion today early. It looked like damage to the right front of the touring when we were allowed to proceed thru in one lane.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mattthew G California on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 04:09 pm:

My prayers go out to those involved.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 04:36 pm:

I do so hope it was not or is not very serious.
I will await details. Thank you Ralph for forwarding this.
Drive carefully, and do enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ned Protexter on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 05:08 pm:

Just saw it on my DTN News but it is very sadly very serious. Google Utah Model T Accident.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 05:19 pm:

I just googled the above mentioned site and the news stated that one person died and three were injured. My thoughts and prayers go out to all.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 05:36 pm:

Oh, Gee. My heart goes out to all involved.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 05:54 pm:

Oh my..... that's terrible.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Derek Kiefer - Mantorville, MN on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 06:09 pm:

oh no... :-(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Nowell Herman on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 06:09 pm:

So Sad, my prayers to the families


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kerry van Ekeren (Australia) on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 06:21 pm:

That's really bad news, the driver trying to do the right thing for traffic conditions, resulting in this nasty accident, condolences to all involved.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Schedler, Sacramento on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 06:22 pm:

My heart just sunk...I pray for comfort for the close ones, and all of us WHO CARE!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Schreiber- Cuenca Ecuador on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 06:26 pm:

How terrible. While we moved from the US to South America, we monitor the T forums for our "fix". This shouldn't happen to folks, out having fun on a T tour. Or anyone for that matter!

Candles have been lit and prayers are being said for all involved.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 06:41 pm:

July 26, 2013 Associated Press

An accident involving a 1915 Model T Ford killed a Minnesota woman Friday in Zion National Park in Utah, The Associated Press reports.
Utah state troopers say the Model T was traveling along state Route 9 Friday when the driver pulled over to the side of road to allow traffic to pass.
However, troopers say, when the right front wheel went off the pavement, the wooden spokes of the wheel came apart and vehicle overturned, ejecting all four people.
Officials say all four people were from Minnesota.
Three were transported to the hospital by ambulance, and the woman, 51, was airlifted to the hospital, where she later died.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 06:45 pm:

Very sad to hear this. My condolences to those who lost their loved one.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 06:46 pm:

Minn. Woman Killed When 1915 Model T Overturns in Utah



An antique vehicle traveling near Zion National Park in Utah overturned on the last day of an international Model T club's annual tour, killing a woman from Minnesota and injuring three other people.

The accident happened Friday morning on state Route 9 when the 1915 Ford Model T pulled to the side of the road to allow traffic to pass, the Utah Highway Patrol said. The right front wheel went off the pavement, the wheel's wooden spokes separated, and the vehicle flipped, troopers said.

All four occupants were ejected, troopers said. It was unclear whether the vehicle had seatbelts, although Model T experts say restraints are of little use in the soft-top vehicle that typically travels at no more than 30 mph.

"There's no rollover protection," said Andy Loso, who's part of a Minnesota Model T club but didn't participate in the tour.

Troopers said all four victims were from Minnesota, including the 51-year-old woman who died.

"This club is a family," said Russ Furstnow, a board member of The Model T Ford Club International and chairman of the tour, which involved about 170 vehicles. "We're extremely upset about the whole thing."

Furstnow said the club has never had an accident on one of its tours. The weeklong events take place in different parts of the country each year, with this summer's tour involving drives along the Grand Canyon and in Bryce Canyon National Park.

"The Model T is just a social medium. It brings people together that have a love for these old cars," Furstnow said. "We have these summer reunions and it's almost like an extended family."

(Copyright 2013 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 06:52 pm:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865583682/Antique-car-crashes-near-Zion-4-inj ured.html


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Milton,WA on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 07:00 pm:

How sad & to happen on the last day of the tour - the family is in our prayers.

It appears to be a '13-'14 Touring.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kathy Harris - Garland, Texas on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 07:26 pm:

I am so very sad, with heavy heart and praying for the family.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 07:58 pm:

I am on the tour, and will have more information after the banquet in just an hour. The car is in fact a '14 touring, belonging to Tim and Karen Johnson of Owatonna, Minnesota.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Glen Chaffin on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 08:04 pm:

We feel sad for everyone on the tour. You are all in our prayers. Chaffin's Garage and staff


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 08:12 pm:

Our sympathy for the family. A most tragic ending to what should be an enjoyable week.

Keith and Carol Gumbinger


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Derek Kiefer - Mantorville, MN on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 08:13 pm:

The news article posted by "Ed in California" states that it was Karen Johnson who passed away.

Karen was the President of the T-Totalers Model T Club. She will be greatly missed by everyone in our club.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Hanson on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 08:13 pm:

Glen...we second that. We lost one of our own extended Model T family today and several others, including children, were injured. This accident is heartbreaking news. Everyone on the tour is in our prayers. May everyone have a safe journey back home and God watch over them all.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kirk Peterson on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 08:18 pm:

I am so Sorry!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By keith g barrier on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 08:20 pm:

Our prayers go out to all, KB


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By R.V. Anderson on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 08:32 pm:

We know Tim and Karen well. This is horrible. Tim, Maureen and I are praying for all of you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 09:03 pm:

So terribly sorry to hear of this devastating news. God be with everyone tonight and beyond, especially those in the accident,and Karen's family. You are in my prayers.

TW


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Gilham Bellflower Ca. on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 09:26 pm:

I stopped for a soda at 7-11 and saw the headline on their monitor. Knowing that the tour was going on my heart sank. Now knowing of the severity makes it even worse. Saying prayers for the family's involved.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 09:32 pm:

Oh, good grief. Karen's son was driving, did something responsible (pulling over to let traffic pass) and a freak accident occurred, which killed her. He will be haunted all of his life. It wasn't his fault! Please, everyone there who has the chance, hug Karen's son and tell him it wasn't his fault. He needs to know that, over and over.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By R.V. Anderson on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 09:38 pm:

At Mark and Sherri's last year.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Barbara Klehfoth on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 09:46 pm:

The MTFCA would like to express our deepest sympathies to the family and the tour. We were contacted by a person who attended the tour who advised that the report that the Model T was pulling over for a modern car was incorrect. An unfortunate and deadly accident occurred.

We understand that not all of the deceased family has been notified and respectfully request that postings not be made on this Forum until the family has received notification.

We cannot control the press, but hope you will join us in respecting the victim's family.

Our Model T family is deeply saddened.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 10:13 pm:

That was/is a great post Dick! At the time of your loss your thinking of others!! Good advise! Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 10:47 pm:

Bud, I have been following this whole thread with pleasure, thinking back four years to when Anja and I did this same tour. It has been a bittersweet pleasure, of course, but a pleasure nonetheless. When I read about this accident, all I could think of is a 19-year old who was driving the car when his mother died, and it wasn't his fault. He absolutely needs to understand that it wasn't his fault. I am afraid he will need people to tell him that. If the other tour participants get a chance to see him, I hope they start that process.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Spencer Vibert on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 11:21 pm:

I am terribly sorry for the family Their son should understand that this was not his fault and it should not have happened. all of us, the model t clubs and families lets make sure this does not happen again. We are all saddened by their loss. She will be missed by all of us


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 11:39 pm:

How sad. I am very sorrowful for the friends and family of the woman who died. Were any others injured? We will pray for them.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison_Rice Minnesota on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 11:45 pm:

Derek, The Great Northern Club has, for the most part been notified. Andy has said he will update us as details come out. This is terribly sad news for sure. Our prayers are for Karen and Tim and family tonight. I'm very proud to say I met Karen a couple times at different events and found she had a great sense of humor, a wonderful personality and the devotion and love for her club was extremely strong. We pray her family members will all be alright. May she rest in the peace and presence of the Lord.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Saturday, July 27, 2013 - 12:04 am:

I pulled the same maneuver coming back from the Iola Old Car Show with the '19 Touring on July 11th.
We were nearing a rather significant hill and I had 3 vehicles behind me.
I didn't want them ready to shoot me as I would have been going 20 MPH at the crest of the hill so I slowed down and put the right side on the shoulder, waved them to pass and continued on our way.
Now I KNOW my wheels are good.........but doesn't everyone?
NEXT time I'll be slowing down even more.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bernard Paulsen, San Buenaventura, Calif on Saturday, July 27, 2013 - 12:12 am:

I will say something that some of you may find insensitive, but be assured that's not my intention: life is inherently dangerous. Those who enjoy it to the fullest often take greater risk.

I was flying private airplanes at age 24, had testicle cancer at age 28 and afterward lost my license because of it (which was non-sensical). I started auto racing in my 40s and went semi-pro without getting hurt a single time. My wife's first life partner and father of our daughter, a health freak, died at age 37 of lymphoma, unexpectedly. My wife's first car accident in her entire life at age 51 was past Memorial Day when our Speedster hit a tree straight on and she broke her right foot 4 times.

You can be super careful and die due to a freak illness young in life, or you can live life to the fullest, like Hugh Hefner does it, and die of a heart attack at age 100 on top of a smoking hot 20-year-old. Fact is, none of us knows when our number is up, and those who stay inside to avoid having a bicycle accident or drowning while swimming in a lake on a beautiful summer day might die when a truck without brakes drives into their living room or an earthquake brings down their ceiling.

Life is the one thing none of us can get escape alive. All we can do is try to be careful, enjoy the ride, and try not to have any regrets. I rather die at age 70 doing something I enjoy doing, than at age 85 suffering and needing somebody to wipe my buttocks every time I get out of the bathroom.

When my mom died after multiple heart surgeries at age 76, I didn't mourn, which not even my wife understood. Instead, I embraced her life, remembered the good times we had together, and focused on the positive.

If there's nothing after life, the dead do not suffer; if there's something after life, it presumably is a better place. There's nothing I or anybody else could have done to extend her life and there's nothing I could have done to undo her death. But there's one thing I had control over: my own reaction to her death. I could allow myself to suffer for a long time, or decide not to perceive this as being a very painful thing for myself, and I chose the latter. This philosophy of deliberate dis-attachment from things we have no control over is found in Buddhism, by the way.

I told my wife that if I have a heart attack one day that ends my life, to remember that I lived life, enjoyed life, and have no regrets. I have a solid health insurance, so she won't have to worry about money.

We are all born, and we all die. What matters is the time in between these two events.

Food for thought.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Saturday, July 27, 2013 - 01:08 am:

In case you guys missed part of Barbara's post:

"We understand that not all of the deceased family has been notified and respectfully request that postings not be made on this Forum until the family has received notification.

We cannot control the press, but hope you will join us in respecting the victim's family."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bernard Paulsen, San Buenaventura, Calif on Saturday, July 27, 2013 - 01:41 am:

Danial,
in case YOU missed this: the story has been covered by several newspapers already and been read by presumably a few hundred thousand people. In addition, the name of the accident victim has been posted here as well. That can't be undone short of the Webmaster deleting this tread at his discretion.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Saturday, July 27, 2013 - 01:51 am:

Understood Bernard, but in case YOU missed it, Barbara "respectfully" asked for no further discussion on this forum even after all that was posted.

Or did YOU miss that?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Deichmann, Blistrup, Denmark on Saturday, July 27, 2013 - 02:11 am:

My condolences to the family.
At some point it need to be discussed whether it was hickory spokes or oak.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jason Given - St. Paul, MN on Saturday, July 27, 2013 - 10:28 am:

My condolences to the family. Attached is a link to one of our local newspapers reporting on the accident.

http://www.startribune.com/local/217193941.html


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Saturday, July 27, 2013 - 02:14 pm:

I can see where Bernard's coming from. My father's dad (my grandfather) has been gone 40 years. I remember him as kind, loving, and attentive to me. When I was born, he and my father drove me to another hospital to be stabilized for various problems I had since the hospital I was born in wasn't as up to par as it could have been. My dad held me in a paste-board box, and my grandpa drove.

I don't think about him at lot as I only had him for 5 years. My dad told me there isn't a day that goes by in the last 40 years that he doesn't think about him.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By george house on Saturday, July 27, 2013 - 05:59 pm:

I am grief stricken. I am so sorry this happened and my prayers go out to the families of the injured and deceased.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David C Jahnke on Saturday, July 27, 2013 - 06:11 pm:

Such a tragic accident. I notice it is a high wishbone with no extra bracing. I wonder if the wheel collapsed first, or if the axle geometry changed when the wheel went off the pavement causing a hard over, which then caused the wheel to fail.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Boothroyd, Victoria, B.C. on Saturday, July 27, 2013 - 06:12 pm:

Our condolences to the Johnson family; a difficult time for all.

Regards,

SteveB


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Sunday, July 28, 2013 - 01:26 am:

I am so sorry to hear this. As Dick Lodge said, I hope everyone supports the young man that was driving. He is going to have a rough go of it for some time no doubt. He will need all of the support he can get. My sincere condolences. Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephen D Heatherly on Sunday, July 28, 2013 - 09:36 pm:

I'm very sorry see things like that happen.

Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Sunday, July 28, 2013 - 11:52 pm:

http://www.kare11.com/news/article/1033525/391/Antique-car-lovers-remember-Model -T-crash-victim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Murray - Anacortes, WA on Monday, July 29, 2013 - 12:38 am:

Tim, Our sincere condolences for the entire Johnson family. Our thoughts and prayers are with you all especially dealing with this devastating loss of Karen. Hugs- Adrienne & Wayne


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Strickling on Monday, July 29, 2013 - 02:39 pm:

Please don't jump to conclusions. No where does it say her son was the driver. Most reports say son, granddaughter and another 19 year old.

".....Hospital, including the driver, Johnson's son, and her 12-year-old granddaughter...."

The driver and Johnson's son seem to be 2 different people in the quote above taken from the article that was included in this thread. Either way it is a horrible thing to have happen.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Monday, July 29, 2013 - 03:24 pm:

In a report I read, it stated that Karen was driving.

We'll all just have to be patient until the details become known. Once we have the facts, we can hopefully learn from this experience.

I'll add too, how devastated I feel for Karen's family and the entire Model T hobby. Though some of us may differ at times, I have always considered everyone in the hobby as being my friend. We have all lost a dear friend. Please folks, though it sounds cliché, be safe.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lance Sorenson, North Carolina on Monday, July 29, 2013 - 07:30 pm:

Here is a link to Karen's Obituary.
http://www.michaelsonfuneral.com/obituaries/detail.asp?id=1256

If this doesn't work just Google - Michaelson Funeral Home Owatanna


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Derek Kiefer - Mantorville, MN on Monday, July 29, 2013 - 09:26 pm:

If anyone planning to attend the visitation and funeral is in need of a place to stay Wednesday night, I have a couple beds available here. We're about 30 minutes from Owatonna.

Derek Kiefer 507-438-8907


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