The two brackets shown, the taller one(one with the tubing), being a current reproduction and the shorter, angled one, being an original. I would like to know if the reproduction is the correct style bracket or if that the shorter, angled bracket is indeed the original and correct horn bracket for 1912.
Also would like to know what size screw is used to attach this bracket to the body. And if that screw is brass, which I assume.
The taller one is used on cars where the horn bulb mounts on the outside of the body or the seat and has a long flex tube to the horn. I believe this is the case in '12. The shorter one is used when the bulb mounts on the inside of the dummy door panel, as in '13-'14 with the short (20") tubing. It's very strategically placed so that your knee knocks into it, bruising your knee and knocking the bracket apart.
Forgot to add that the screw is a brass round head slotted wood screw, #8 x 5/8".
I have seen pictures of 1912 cars with the horn both inside and outside. I presume earlier in production it was outside, then moved inside later in production.
When I mounted my horn, the brass wood screw twisted off in the wood. : ^ ( This was before the upholstery was in so I drilled all the way through the wood, and put on T-nuts on the inside, and attached the bracket with brass #8 round head machine screws.
The finished upholstery covers any evidence.
: ^ )
Keith both of those cars in the vintage pictures appear to be late '12 as they have the inside door handle. It looks like the location of the horn was not consistent even late in the production year. I have a late '12 and the horn is on the outside.
That interior turned out fabulous....you've done a fabulous job of retaining the original quality of this exceptional car...well done Sir. These 2 original car photos do not rise to the level of unique to me. There were known variations of horns lamps etc., and these appear to be consistent with the belief that those equipment variables occurred coincident with each other.
Keith, at the risk of "stealing" the thread, I agree with Scott, your car (and especially the upholstery) look great! Well done.
Now, back to the originally scheduled thread.
Next week I'll post an upholstery thread.
Greg, are there any holes in the wood or sheet metal that would indicate where your horn goes? On my car I plugged all the worn holes in the original wood and was then able to locate, drill, and mount hardware in the exact same locations.