This topic came up in another thread and I figured I would post it here instead of that thread heading too far off topic.
I've been researching the 24-25 Coupe. One of the parts which I have been having problems with the research on is the window crank handles that were used in 1925. The 1924 handles had a large screw which went right through the front of the handle. I've been able to document those in detail - all of the variations of them. The 1925 handles are different, they don't have the big screw. I'm not sure if they are the same as the 26-27 handles or not.
There are 3 variations of these handles. One is cast bronze, one is cast zinc and I think the other is cast aluminum. The parts drawings show a slightly different shape for each of the types.
The parts drawing also shows that there is a set screw on the boss where it fits over the regulator shaft to hold it on. There is also a hole for a pin and there is a part number for the pin. However, I have seen these handles with a set screw and no pin, and with a pin and no set screw.
What type of ORIGINAL handles do people have on their 1925 closed cars? Are they held on with a pin, or a set screw, or both? If you have one free, can you post a photo and let me know what its made of?
Here's a photo of one I took on an unrestored 1925 Fordor. It is held on with a cotter pin and I don't think it had a set screw.
Dave just for clarification does the type of handle you pictured always on the metal framed doors that the 25 cars usually had?
I have the other type of handle with the large head screw that's in the center of the handle.
My car is a very late Sept 24 but probably is a 25 and it has wood framed doors. I guess you could say its a transition car.
My wife had an "original" 1925 Coupe (wood frame doors) with the large screw holding the handle as did my "original" 1925 Tudor.
This is the type of window crank on my 25 Tudor with wood door frames.
Sorry, I guess I should have been more specific. The handles I'm interested in are the ones used on the all steel door as I've shown in the photo I posted. The ones with the screw in the center are for the wood framed doors. I have all of those variations documented.
Here are the four sides of a probable original off of an April of 1925 Fordor.
They are scripted, they behave like pot metal and I think they actually are (either that or the worst aluminum alloy ever made.) This is the only one of the original 4 that is still pretty well holding together and not in crumbling pieces and it is the set-screw version as are the other 3.
I also have a set that are very close to these, better metal, the knob has a more sweeping curved side to it, but otherwise almost impossible to tell the difference. This set is also set screw, the set screw and boss exactly the same but at 90 degrees to this one shown…but they are unscripted and appear to also be plated so I think they may be an early aftermarket replacement set.
If you want the casting marks off of this other set…let me know.
I was curious so went and dug and looked for that second set...haha...haven't seen them in oh, 18 years
I'm sure they were/are repro's bought at least over 35 years ago...but on closer examination, they were for both set-screw and roll pin. Here are some pix.
So I now know of one original handle with just a pin, and two with just a set screw - in different places. I'll pull out the documentation on these tonight and see if the set screw was moved at some point.
I've seen lots of these loose in boxes at swap meets. All different variations. I don't think I've ever seen one with a Ford script. A lot have a 4 digit number on them.
What are the casting numbers on the other set?
Basically need to figure out how to tell a repop form an original, and if there is a difference in the 26 handle from the 25.
Dave, it was my memory that said there was a casting mark.
The second set of pix shows my memory is not as sharp after 18 years...there are what appears to be two pin ejection marks in that second shinier set, or marks left from forming the molds. Sorry...
I will share another reason why I think the 2nd set are an early good repro...
There are enough subtle size differences between them that I 'think' an original was used as the pattern for the cast part...and NOT a pattern with shrinkage allowance built in. While this 'could' have been production of the time, I would think early foundrymen would know enough to overcoat an original with paste to offset the shrinkage factor.
If you really want, I have a set of good digital verniers and if you send me a sketch of where you'd like dimensions taken, I'd put down both side by side. The 'scripted' version v. the 'shinier' ones.