I just learned that my 2002 truck needs a new engine, anti freeze leaking into one of the cylinders. I find it a bit ironic the my 1927 Roadster is still running with the originally engine, vaporizer carb and generator....They don't make them like they used to
I don't mean to detract from your problem, but just because there's anti-freeze somewhere it should not be does not necessarily mean you need a new engine. Could it be just a head gasket?
If its the 6.0 liter diesel you probably are right. KB
If it is a diesel - cavitation is possible if you did not use the right anti freeze ...
Anti freeze in the oil will kill any bearing surface it comes in contact with. It removes the oil film and it only takes a little to ruin an engine. It does not matter what brand it is. Scott
How did you get that knowledge, Robert? I have heard similar, but have no evidence of it. Can't remember ever having anti-freeze in the oil in any car I've owned. I've had leaks in the T, but without anti-freeze in the rad.
Ricks, I'll be a witness...at 100 miles into my fresh rebuild on our '27 Coupe, I was climbing a one mile long grade at 40mph, then at the top of it the worst noise a fresh resto can hear emanated from the engine. Turns out the center main let go as a result of anti-freeze entering the the crankcase oil from under torqued head bolts. I painted the Z-head without the steel washers in the bosses where the head bolts go. The paint under the washers during the installation of head bolts did not allow the washers to seat during torque specifically where the 26-27 coil box goes. Duh...dumb mistake that got worse by having the center main go. I'm happy to report that after the complete dis-assembly and re-assembly, and re-babbit on the mains, the engine has run great for just over 3000 miles with no anti-freeze in the cooling system this time. W
Ditto coca cola, vinegar, apple juice, water or polar bear urine. Using any of those instead of motor oil will result in bad bearings.
Robert, there's nothing anti freeze does to a bearing that is different than what happens when water comes into contact with a bearing. Nothing.
Royce, I'm having great luck with polar bear urine as a lubricant. Perhaps you're not using the multi-grade 10W-40 only available from bears in Baffin Island, Nunavit Territory!
Wayne, yes water and anti-freeze coolant in the oil is bad and can lead to cooked bearings on a 40 mph one mile long upgrade. But a 40 mph one mile long upgrade can lead to cooked bearings because it is a one mile long upgrade... if your internal oil line is not flowing oil to the front, or if the upgrade is too steep to allow the oil to flow to the front.
Then you open the engine and assume that the little bit of coolant in the oil (probably causing white froth on the top) did the deed. Now that you have finished re-babbiting and re-torquing (I'm pretty sceptical that the paint played any part in the engine failure) go run it up that hill again and see if you cook the bearing. If you didn't check and clean the oil pipe this is a good check on that. Burn the front or center main or the #1 or #2 rods and maybe it was really the pipe or the incline!
It also could have been low oil level... but water in the oil is also a good possibility... Lets rule out that I have touched that car, a calamity which is certain to cook bearings! :^)
It is common to see white foam in the oil in winter. It will evaporate off when the motor gets warmed up. Put a pint of antifreeze in the oil and see how you enjoy life after a few miles.
It must only affect modern cars as Royce the know it all has given it his blessing and now all Model T,s can use anti freeze as a lube. Say do we need zinc now that we have anti freeze? Scott
From "Machinery Lubrication" magazine:
Apparently polar bear urine was not analyzed.
Thanks, Rob. Didn't know that. My water soluble oil in RO water is better for a T here where it doesn't freeze hard.
"Robert, there's nothing anti freeze does to a bearing that is different than what happens when water comes into contact with a bearing. Nothing."
Another Old Wife's Tale shot down.
" In fact, a major diesel engine OEM has estimated 53 percent of all catastrophic engine failures are due to coolant leaks. "
Read the complete article here:
OK, I accept as fact the damaging effects anti-freeze can have in a diesel engine. However, absent more information, I still think concluding that Randy needs a new engine because anti-freeze was found in a cylinder is premature. If the leak is new, there may not yet be fatal damage.
I'm not saying he does not need a new engine, I'm just saying we don't have enough information to draw that conclusion.
New engine needed or not it depends on where you take the truck for repairs. Not many shops have the facilities to do an overhaul and dealers won't spend the time. So in most cases you'll get a remanufactured crate engine even if all it needs is bearings. A "new" engine is probably more than the truck is worth.
I have done many, many headgasket jobs on late model automotive engines, where the oil was visibly contaminated with antifreeze. None had bearing failures. I installed a factory new Komatsu diesel, and it tossed a rod after running for just over an hour. The operator called me to say that the starter shot out through the engine cover. Turns out it was propelled by pieces of the rod. The oil sample showed less than one half of a percent of glycol in the oil, from a faulty oil cooler. This lead me to believe that diesels are more sensitive to coolant contaminated oil than gassers. Perhaps the higher bearing pressures?
I agree they don't make them like they used to. My 1914 Model T runabout is a great runner with me and my wife aboard at 25-40 miles per hour. We enjoy in immensely.
My F350 Ford truck runs all day long loaded at 75-80 miles per hour. We enjoy in immensely also.
Whoever said it is right: "They sure don't make them like they used too." And frankly I'm glad they don't.
Others may have differing opinions.
I have good luck with 10w-30 Whale poop. It is ever bit as good as some of the $hitty comments on this forum.
Apparently Rob Heyen, you didn't scroll down the page where the same warning applies to water in the coolant, along with any other substance that is not oil. Or you intentionally tried to mislead by omission?
Four Lethal Diesel Engine Oil Contaminants
Jim Fitch, Noria Corporation
Tags: contamination control, fuel dilution, water in oil
Any one of the contaminants described below is capable of causing premature or even sudden engine failure. I've left dirt contamination off the list because I covered particle-induced engine failures in a previous column. It is worth noting that problems are more pronounced when contamination combos exist, such as high soot load with or high soot load with fuel dilution. There are numerous failure pathways and consequential sequence of events. Thousands of diesel engines fail prematurely each year aided by the presences of glycol, fuel, soot and water in the engine oil.
Royce, you jerk. It says water is one of the four main contaminants. However, it says in the portion I copied (along with the link, which I'm sure is what you finally read to defend your worthless statement) that a study showed wear rates ten times higher (glycol) than water.
It was your half a$$ed statement "there's nothing anti freeze does to a bearing that is different than what happens when water comes into contact with a bearing. Nothing" that begged a response.
Any idiot knows anti freeze at the same level as water is more harmful to an engine! Why don't you start your own thread about it and see how that goes?
Oh, I forgot, you don't start threads, you just wait and "snipe" others. Often with hair brained half baked theories.
Water quickly evaporates out of oil in a warm engine - one with a thermostat, that is... Once glycol has attached to ZDDP and plugged the oil filter in a modern, catastrophe can't be far behind.
Roycisms abound, and astound.
I am a Jerk ....
On some days .....
HEY! I was accused of being a ROYCIST on the other forum. The PERP didn't even reply to my response. Hmmm.. BTW... I put two raw eggs in with the last oil change and don't have a single drips' worth of an oil leak. Maybe they like sulphated ash instead of zinc in the oil. T's seem to run on BOILED and FRIED eggs. Now if I could only figger out where to put the SAUSAGE... ws